School shooting in Maryland

gimmie11s · Mar 20, 2018

CV355 said:
No different than leaving your keys in an unlocked car and wondering why it was stolen. Was it the cars fault? No. Some idiot consciously stole it. But you didn't help the case by making easy for them.

Understand what you're saying, just don't agree.

We live in a free society and in order to enjoy said freedom, we must be responsible and take ownership of our own actions.

What "could" happen has absolutely nothing to do with a criminal breaking the rules or a child not doing what his parents tell him to do.

Rules and laws are rules and laws. If you break them, no one should be accountable except for YOU.

This current society is FAR too focused on justifying wrong doing and looking for reasons why bad behavior is "ok".

Once we pull our heads our of our asses and stop doing that--by making people take ownership for their poor decisions again--we can get back to enjoying freedom that way the Founders intended.

CV355 · Mar 20, 2018

gimmie11s said:
Understand what you're saying, just don't agree.

We live in a free society and in order to enjoy said freedom, we must be responsible and take ownership of our own actions.

What "could" happen has absolutely nothing to do with a criminal breaking the rules or a child not doing what his parents tell him to do.

Rules and laws are rules and laws. If you break them, no one should be accountable except for YOU.

This current society is FAR too focused on justifying wrong doing and looking for reasons why bad behavior is "ok".

Once we pull our heads our of our asses and stop doing that--by making people take ownership for their poor decisions again--we can get back to enjoying freedom that way the Founders intended.

I understand and respect your position on that- I really do. Accountability is a slippery slope. Some politicians feel that if someone breaks into my house, steals my firearms, and shoots someone else with them, that I should be responsible for their actions (this I vehemently disagree with).

However, law and politics aside, accessibility is a major deterrent. Does a lock keep everything safe? No. But it definitely prevents access in many cases, even when a bypass is simple enough. Sometimes, a lock creates enough of a delay such that the offender has time to rethink their actions. Is it a cure-all? No. But it's an inexpensive, simple means to solve a lot of problems without infringing on rights.

gimmie11s said:
Rules and laws are rules and laws. If you break them, no one should be accountable except for YOU.
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Agreed 100%

gimmie11s · Mar 20, 2018

CV355 said:
I understand and respect your position on that- I really do. Accountability is a slippery slope. Some politicians feel that if someone breaks into my house, steals my firearms, and shoots someone else with them, that I should be responsible for their actions (this I vehemently disagree with).

However, law and politics aside, accessibility is a major deterrent. Does a lock keep everything safe? No. But it definitely prevents access in many cases, even when a bypass is simple enough. Sometimes, a lock creates enough of a delay such that the offender has time to rethink their actions. Is it a cure-all? No. But it's an inexpensive, simple means to solve a lot of problems without infringing on rights.

Agreed 100%

Im with you. In no way was my post intended to say people should be stupid and not lock up their firearms around children or perps. I lock mine up and id imagine most responsible folks do.

However, I do NOT agree with the idea that we should be forced to do it or that the gun owner should be accountable for criminal activity if he fails to do it and his firearm is stolen.

blk02edge · Mar 20, 2018

black4vcobra said:
Geez, people are really going off the deep end... I've been saying it for years, there needs to tests for people to be allowed to have children - financial as well as physical and mental health. That and MANDATORY birth control for any women on any form of public assistance, no birth control shot, no food stamps, Section 8, welfare, unemployment, disability, etc. Absolutely zero exceptions under any circumstances.

Society seems to be spiraling down the toilet the last 15-20 or so years, there are just more crazies than ever and I don't see things getting any better

Its actually incredible how much of a positive difference this would make yet thats NEVER going to be discussed. Shame really.

BrunotheBoxer · Mar 20, 2018

This story will die a quick death. A good guy with a gun stopped a piece of shit with a gun. Doesn’t fit the media’s agenda.

Troponin · Mar 20, 2018

CV355 said:
How do kids get access to firearms? Do people leave them laying around unlocked? Man I would have gotten my ass handed to me if I ever tried to break into my father's firearms when I was a kid. Locked case, trigger/chamber lock, ammo in a different area.

No different than leaving your keys in an unlocked car and wondering why it was stolen. Was it the cars fault? No. Some idiot consciously stole it. But you didn't help the case by making easy for them.

The kids are usually getting them from their parents. In Texas, its the law to lock up your firearms. Yet another law that you cannot enforce or monitor. We only see the results in cases like this.

All of my firearms are locked up. I have a bedside biometric safe (I clean the glass every time I use it) that I can access in a pinch for my home defense firearm. You can easily lock up an AR or shotgun in a similar fashion. Biometric pretty much alleviates all of the arguments against a safe for home invaders. Just make sure you change the batteries on a schedule.

CV355 · Mar 20, 2018

gimmie11s said:
Im with you. In no way was my post intended to say people should be stupid and not lock up their firearms around children or perps. I lock mine up and id imagine most responsible folks do.

However, I do NOT agree with the idea that we should be forced to do it or that the gun owner should be accountable for criminal activity if he fails to do it and his firearm is stolen.

I'm with you 100%.

If we take law/politics out of the equation, there are many common-sense simple solutions. Of course, you can't enforce it without involving law/politics, and that's where it gets messy and doesn't work.

That's why I say we need idiot control and not gun control

Troponin said:
The kids are usually getting them from their parents. In Texas, its the law to lock up your firearms. Yet another law that you cannot enforce or monitor. We only see the results in cases like this.

All of my firearms are locked up. I have a bedside biometric safe (I clean the glass every time I use it) that I can access in a pinch for my home defense firearm. You can easily lock up an AR or shotgun in a similar fashion. Biometric pretty much alleviates all of the arguments against a safe for home invaders. Just make sure you change the batteries on a schedule.

You're right- it's unenforcable unless they want something else to throw at you (like constructive intent...).

I have an entire room of our house set up as a small armory. The door is locked, cases are locked, and ammunition is stored separately. The only exception is my CCW, and that's well hidden or on my person.

Paranoia can be healthy in small doses.

CV355 · Mar 20, 2018

black4vcobra said:
Geez, people are really going off the deep end... I've been saying it for years, there needs to tests for people to be allowed to have children - financial as well as physical and mental health. That and MANDATORY birth control for any women on any form of public assistance, no birth control shot, no food stamps, Section 8, welfare, unemployment, disability, etc. Absolutely zero exceptions under any circumstances.

Society seems to be spiraling down the toilet the last 15-20 or so years, there are just more crazies than ever and I don't see things getting any better

You realize that democrats will not like you messing with their future constituents...

Double"O" · Mar 20, 2018

BrunotheBoxer said:
This story will die a quick death. A good guy with a gun stopped a piece of shit with a gun. Doesn’t fit the media’s agenda.

True story

GNBRETT · Mar 20, 2018

at least he wasn't a pussy little coward like the other SRO was in Florida. good for him.

HillbillyHotRod · Mar 20, 2018

Glad at the outcome. Just wish he would have gotten popped before he wounded two.

SHOdown220 · Mar 20, 2018

BrunotheBoxer said:
This story will die a quick death. A good guy with a gun stopped a piece of shit with a gun. Doesn’t fit the media’s agenda.

You're exactly right. We have been airing CNN all day at work and I saw a quick 3 minute "Breaking News" come on about the shooting then right back to talking about Trump and Russia. About every hour they will talk for 1 or 2 minutes about the shooting then immediately back to trying to destroy Trump.

My wife works with me as well and she said "I'm surprised there isn't more about the shooting on tv??" I told her there isn't enough dead children this time for the news to be bothered to leave their anti-trump story. Its ****ing pathetic

gimmie11s · Mar 20, 2018

SHOdown220 said:
You're exactly right. We have been airing CNN all day at work and I saw a quick 3 minute "Breaking News" come on about the shooting then right back to talking about Trump and Russia. About every hour they will talk for 1 or 2 minutes about the shooting then immediately back to trying to destroy Trump.

My wife works with me as well and she said "I'm surprised there isn't more about the shooting on tv??" I told her there isn't enough dead children this time for the news to be bothered to leave their anti-trump story. Its ****ing pathetic

Wow... so true.

SHOdown220 · Mar 20, 2018

Troponin said:
Hind sight, there were at least two kids back in my school that I now realize had the potential to be a school shooter. THese kids were just not right in the head. Yes, they were bullied, however, one kid didn’t have a father in his life, his mother was poor and, well, didn’t seem to pay much attention to him etc.

These kids don’t just need to toughen up, they really are ****ed in the head and need help. Perhaps we need a program that helps teach kids how to not only identify potential risks, but also a service that reaches out to these kids and get them help. I tried to befriend one of them (just talked to him every day), but something just wasn’t clicking with him. I think he had just completely isolated himself at that point. At the time, I knew he was messed up, but didn’t realize the potential risk he could have been. Kids need to be educated on this topic.

Regardless, I am very happy to see that someone stepped up and stopped him. After CNN ran with that story of the resource officer discharging his firearm in the school, we needed something positive, although, no shooting would have been best, obviously. I bet CNN doesn’t print this.

We had a guy in class that everyone knew wasn't right and several of us said something to teachers and staff about it but there wasn't ever anything really done. Thankfully for us he never went on a shooting spree at school. However about 2 years after we graduated (he dropped out a year or 2 early) we saw a news story where he and his girlfriend stabbed her mother to death over an argument. When the police showed up she was dead on the kitchen floor and they were in the living room playing video games like nothing ever happened.

HISSMAN · Mar 20, 2018

Also... We need to ban assault bridges. Way more people have died because of these!

Bdubbs · Mar 20, 2018

black4vcobra said:
Geez, people are really going off the deep end... I've been saying it for years, there needs to tests for people to be allowed to have children - financial as well as physical and mental health. That and MANDATORY birth control for any women on any form of public assistance, no birth control shot, no food stamps, Section 8, welfare, unemployment, disability, etc. Absolutely zero exceptions under any circumstances.

Society seems to be spiraling down the toilet the last 15-20 or so years, there are just more crazies than ever and I don't see things getting any better

I've been saying the exact same thing for years. People that want to have kids should go through extensive background checks. They should be in a good state of mind and have money to afford them. Where's my tax break for being a responsible adult and choosing NOT to have kids?

My cousin is a prime example of people that piss me off. She has 3 kids, all different daddy's and works less than 30 hours a week. She probably brings in nearly as much as I do, after child support and government funding...

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Hunter98SVT · Mar 20, 2018

Bdubbs said:
I've been saying the exact same thing for years. People that want to have kids should go through extensive background checks. They should be in a good state of mind and have money to afford them. Where's my tax break for being a responsible adult and choosing NOT to have kids?

My cousin is a prime example of people that piss me off. She has 3 kids, all different daddy's and works less than 30 hours a week. She probably brings in nearly as much as I do, after child support and government funding...

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I had to pay in this year.. No go fast parts for me. Glad the fatass next door to me can keep using her ebt card so she can afford to buy a carton of smokes at the gas station.
She also keeps driving through my yard and and her half a dozen kids are always tearing through it as well.

Bdubbs · Mar 20, 2018

Hunter98SVT said:
I had to pay in this year.. No go fast parts for me. Glad the fatass next door to me can keep using her ebt card so she can afford to buy a carton of smokes at the gas station.
She also keeps driving through my yard and and her half a dozen kids are always tearing through it as well.

Doesn't that crap just drive you crazy! I don't know how my wife can do accounting and see all the low life's get big tax returns and barely work for a living.

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black4vcobra · Mar 20, 2018

blk02edge said:
Its actually incredible how much of a positive difference this would make yet thats NEVER going to be discussed. Shame really.

Without a doubt. While this idea would apply to MANY white people that shouldn't be reproducing, any legislation like that would somehow immediately be labeled racist.

CV355 said:
You realize that democrats will not like you messing with their future constituents...

My counter to that would be that democRATs already encourage dead people to vote so reducing the number of future (otherwise legal) democRAT voters is just tipping the scale back to even.

Gravik · Mar 20, 2018

Take notes broward county.

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