A lot of info was released yesterday during VMP's Burnout Box weekly segment. Thing looks massive and has tons of potential. Talks about the blower, TB, fuel, etc. Skip to the 10:00 min mark.
VMP 2650 Update (Vid Inside)
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Very intrigued! I have yet to make my blower purchase yet because of this new Gen 3 coming out. Waiting to hear all the details before making my final decision.
Interesting price point for the new TBs.
Also, they drove my point home for us 91-93 octane users. This new Gen 3 will make the same power on LESS boost as TVS 2300 blower.
So If I have a TVS 2.3 (trinity, gen 2 or 2R) that makes 700 rwhp on 18 pounds of boost, you should be able to make the same power on 15-16 or so pounds of boost. Add headers and thats 14-15 pounds of boost.
That means you can run another 1-3 psi smaller upper pulley and STILL be safe on pump gas. On a Gen 3 that seems like its going to make a whole lot of power compared to the Gen2R at the same boost pressure.
I think this Gen 3 will be an even crazier torque monster than the Gen 2. I also think the Gen 3 will be more of a competition for the 3.4l and 4.0L whipples than a 2.9L Whipple. In the video, Justin and Donny were implying that 26 estimated PSI on a small upper pulley and overdrive pulley was a conservative top end boost pressure that the Gen 3 was capable of.
GT500s, Coyotes running a TVS and boosted Boss 302s are going to get a HELL of a power injection on this blower. My prediction at least.
Also, they drove my point home for us 91-93 octane users. This new Gen 3 will make the same power on LESS boost as TVS 2300 blower.
So If I have a TVS 2.3 (trinity, gen 2 or 2R) that makes 700 rwhp on 18 pounds of boost, you should be able to make the same power on 15-16 or so pounds of boost. Add headers and thats 14-15 pounds of boost.
That means you can run another 1-3 psi smaller upper pulley and STILL be safe on pump gas. On a Gen 3 that seems like its going to make a whole lot of power compared to the Gen2R at the same boost pressure.
I think this Gen 3 will be an even crazier torque monster than the Gen 2. I also think the Gen 3 will be more of a competition for the 3.4l and 4.0L whipples than a 2.9L Whipple. In the video, Justin and Donny were implying that 26 estimated PSI on a small upper pulley and overdrive pulley was a conservative top end boost pressure that the Gen 3 was capable of.
GT500s, Coyotes running a TVS and boosted Boss 302s are going to get a HELL of a power injection on this blower. My prediction at least.
I wonder if the 2019 GT500 will come from the factory with a 2650?
Id bet a hard yes on it. Whipple is a good supercharger company, but I dont think its got the overall operating characteristics that can match what Eaton is capable of producing. Also, both KBs and Whipples need RPM speed to generate max boost.
The TVS series makes great power down low and mid range and good power up top. For a street car out of the box, thats what you want.
The TVS series makes great power down low and mid range and good power up top. For a street car out of the box, thats what you want.
Need to see if it can get past the gen 2/3 2.9 first before it goes after a 3.4/4.0 Whipple. Curious too see if it will be a better blower for a SLB pump gas combo than the Gen 2 R is.
@red3v I think it will easily. Gen 3 rotor pack got 30 more free horse power. As it is, tje Gen2R was the direct competition to the 2.9 Whipple.
Seeing what the 2R did on a built car like the BPS shop car, a Gen 3's potential is going to be awesome!
Seeing what the 2R did on a built car like the BPS shop car, a Gen 3's potential is going to be awesome!
Time will tell and it will not be easy. The Gen 2 2.9 still makes more power than the 2.3 R. My prediction is pulley for pulley the gen 3 2.9 will make similar peak numbers as the 2.65. However the 2.9 will kill it in average power.
The 2650 is making it harder to decide between a Trinity or Gen 2R. As usual I want the 2650 so I can have the latest and greatest.
2650 would likely be the last upgrade youd need.
You're probably right. I could sell my VMP 67mm TB and 56# injectors and buy the 160mm Monoblade they'll offer, get 1050X injectors, and VMP dual BAP. Don't think I'd want to go cheap with this set up haha
Not necessarily. Boost pressure in the intake has very little to do with what fuel is safe to run.
Ill have to disagree that its got very little to do with it. Ive been told countless times that theres a max safe PSI for pump gas by multiple tuners. Sounds to me like its got everything to do with it. Its a factor, ultimately, in how much combustion pressure and what temperature that combustion occurs at. Not sure how boost psi isn't important.
Blower efficiency is important too. 16 psi on a Whipple 4.0 is a lot different than 16 psi on an M122.
Blower efficiency is important too. 16 psi on a Whipple 4.0 is a lot different than 16 psi on an M122.
Peak cylinder pressure, and subsequently how much power a cylinder can produce, are the limiting factors to how far a fuel can go safely. The amount of pressure in the intake manifold has very little to do with those numbers, generally speaking. For run of the mill bolt on or common upgraded blower cars, yes it’s very easy for a tuner to spit out X amount of boost pressure is the safe limit because they are more or less all the same and known combos. Like you said, the same boost level between power adders has very different results. You can’t run 21 pounds from a 4.0 Whipple safely on a stock motor, but you can run 21 pounds from a stock blower.
Has there been a direct comparison between the VMP Gen 3 2650 and the Whipple Gen 3 2.9, cant seem to find a comparison?
I have heard that the TVSs tend to make more TQ than the TS at same boost so I imagine that the TS will take the win at peak HP but the TVS will be close to it but with more available TQ, am I anywhere close with this summation?
I have heard that the TVSs tend to make more TQ than the TS at same boost so I imagine that the TS will take the win at peak HP but the TVS will be close to it but with more available TQ, am I anywhere close with this summation?
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