Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

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I’m a purist for the classics. I’d take a 911 classic or a 911r. The gt3rs is great but I wouldn’t want to daily drive one.
 

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The 911r or 911 classic is endearing and engaging like a bullitt or mach1 mustang is (very wide performance differences obviously exist)

The gt2rs is brutal like a gt500 but is it a better driving experience than a gt3rs? No. The gt350r is more fun to drive than a gt500. It’s not faster in a line, but it’s more fun to toss around.

The 911s is higher performing than any mustang around a track and I know that. I’m comparing ethos. To the number snobs, a gutted c5 Vette with track suspension, widened, on sticky tires making 500whp in 2750lbs has the potential to make any of these cars look slow for 1/4 the price.
 

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The perfect all around car with class, bells and whistles, at least a few. That’s my lean these days and of course, just my opinion based on my likes these days.
 

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I think Chevy will have a hard time fitting anything bigger than a 4.0-4.5L Dohc v8 in the Canada engine bay. Forget about turbo kit. They’ll be lucky to fit a supercharged 4.5L Dohc in that engine bay.

The 1LE va 2018 mustang gt pp1 Rest In motortrend paints an honest picture of how good an SS 1LE is for a daily driver. $46k as tested. Only .7 seconds slower than a Porsche 918s 22.2 around the figure 8 (its 1.3 faster than the stangs 24.0 for comparison. At willow, it pulled a 1:20.x, the stang ran 1:23.x it was 3.3 seconds faster on a short course. That’s ridiculously quicker. Talk any crap on the lt1, the suspension geometry they can put into the Camaro chassis by optimizing the front end space to accommodate suspension instead of engine is worth the trade off. The SS 1LE is as quick or quicker than a gt350 on that track and hunting for a gt350r, while being down 75hp, and on a lesser tire (barely though). Put 75hp into that car and it’ll likely take on a well driven gt350R.

I hate to say it but Chevy has an excellent car on their hands with the camaro. Straight lines I don’t see the mustang having an issue beating the zl1 or zl1 1le, hellcats, and real world demon times (on drag radials), but I don’t see this generation gt500 out doing the zl1 1le around any track that has a decent amount of corners. Maybe lime rock or seabring or sears point.
 

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I can see what you’re saying Almo. The nice thing is the gt2rs isn’t much heavier than the gt3, and it’s not frontal weight so it’s not as consequential to turn in or so forth. I haven’t driven a gt2 rs so I shouldn’t be so quick to blast it as less road worthy than the gt3
 

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I can see what you’re saying Almo. The nice thing is the gt2rs isn’t much heavier than the gt3, and it’s not frontal weight so it’s not as consequential to turn in or so forth. I haven’t driven a gt2 rs so I shouldn’t be so quick to blast it as less road worthy than the gt3

I’m in the same boat and haven’t driven a 2RS yet but I have driven a 3RS. It is a fascinating car and the sound is absolutely intoxicating but at the end of the day, I’ll take the two turbos. :D
 

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I’ve seen decent mileage from my built setup

When I read this... I had to chime in. Every car I ever modded and all of my high HP cars, with the exception of my 2013 GT500, all got noticeably better MPG when compared to stock. Of course that was contingent on keeping your foot out of it. LOL

One of my most noticeably improved cars was my 2007 S197. When it was new, it got around 14-15 MPG average per tank. After the big NA build, adding over 66% more power, my average MPG went up to 17.5-18 MPG if I drove it causally.

The GT500 was a nightmare. I upgraded the supercharger and my MPG dropped from about 14.5 to about 8.5 on average. I could only drive about 100 miles per tank.
 

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Haha, I have had almost the exact same results Marc.

My stock 03 got like 17-18. With tune etc like 20. 5.4 swap, it actually improved to like low 20’s, but that was na.

Put turbos on that, lightened it up a bit, went to a 3.55 from a 4.10 but kept the stock c heads and cams. Surprisingly it improved to mid 20’s on road trips but is completely dependent on driving conditions, I could also get like 8 if I was in it a lot haha. I had also put viper overdrives in the trans.

Now I have 3.73’s, twin 62s, a race car intake manifold (fr500c) no emission crap anywhere, stage 3 turbo cams, very high cfm gt500 heads stage 3 ported, and a stupidly conservative tune. Mid 20’s on the freeway. About 15 mixed tank with some nice fun pulls, 20 if I do mainly highways. My 800whp 3.73/big cam, setup at 3400lbs gets what my stock 3650lbs 400whp car did.

And I don’t believe the mainstream media crap about global warming, so I have no reservations about ditching the emissions crap. I drive this car 3k miles a year. It’s just tree feed.
 

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I hate to say it but Chevy has an excellent car on their hands with the camaro. Straight lines I don’t see the mustang having an issue beating the zl1 or zl1 1le, hellcats, and real world demon times (on drag radials), but I don’t see this generation gt500 out doing the zl1 1le around any track that has a decent amount of corners. Maybe lime rock or seabring or sears point.
Lots of Camaro love here. Nothing wrong with that but GM and Ford were next to each other at Detroit auto show. I enjoyed looking over the ZL1 And sat in it just beforehand the 2018 GT and GT350 and damn that Camaro interior and glass is just terrible from a sight line perspective. I respect it's performance, but I don't see how that's a comfortable or an easy to drive fast experience .
Now where's more GT500 leaks?
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... I don’t see this generation gt500 out doing the zl1 1le around any track that has a decent amount of corners. ...

Ford could have literally just added power to a GT350R and called it "done" and still have the ZL1 1LE covered. I'm sure the updates/upgrades for the new GT500 will be a lot more comprehensive than simply adding power to an R. Its eventual performance may not live up to my hopes, but I'm still confident that it'll at least eclipse the ZL1 1LE.
 

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^ I could be wrong but I see it being easy to eclipse the ZL1, however the ZL1 1LE is in a very high eschelon.

For context, the regular 1LE same day, same track, same driver was less than 2 seconds off the fastest lap ever recorded by motortrend at willow. 1:20.x vs 1:18.x set by a Lamborghini Trofeo R... that’s a ridiculously capable car on aggressive tires, with almost 700hp.

The zl1 1LE almost hits 6’s at the Nurburgring. I don’t remember exactly but the gt350r is comfortably in the 7:30’s iirc.

None of that is slow, and the gt350r is likely a better overall driving experience but the performance difference is vast.

To give context to the regular ss 1le vs gt pp, 3 seconds at willow is so wide they would be specced into different tiers. And the mustang is $3k pricier in that test.

I’ve had seat time in the new ss and the new mustangs, im short so the canary felt weird until I raised the seat high, and the mustangs feel big until I start driving them fast-they shrink at speed.

Overall though, save the gt350s I’ve spent time in, the ss 1le is about as good of a street car you can get.

I will say the 2018 mustang exhaust is waaaaaaaay better than the stock 1le. It’s honestly better than the gt350 to my ears only because it’s more traditional. I really want to hear a bullit.
 

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I can’t see a supercharged gt350r picking up the difference to a 1LE ZL1 but I do hope I’m wrong.

What surprised me was how fast the ss 1LE was compared to the ZL1 at willow... it’s basically just as fast.
 

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I firmly believe that Ford wouldn't bring a car this late that could not handle both the ZL1 and ZL1-L1E. From all I'm hearing there will be a base GT500 and a GT500R version.
 

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I firmly believe that Ford wouldn't bring a car this late that could not handle both the ZL1 and ZL1-L1E. From all I'm hearing there will be a base GT500 and a GT500R version.

It would be very cool to see a 500R or maybe a CobraR produced in a very comparible manner as an enhanced GT350R and compete in the GT series.
 

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In the brochure posted above, looks like 772HP, 743TQ, at least 7 gears in "S" (sport) mode and the + and - look like paddles on the digital readout. Badass if true.


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