Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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I hope Ford offers heads up display as a option to go with my must have performance data recorder...
May I suggest the optional vinyl seat covers and rubber floor mats?
That ship has sailed. Chevrolet already has a twin turbo 5.5L DOHC (capable of 454 cubic inches) slated for the mid engine corvette and says this will be the foundation for all performance engines to come. Next stop; Camaro. Big bore stroker kits will be a dime a dozen for that engine.
Yay Ford. What's next, a 5.2 and a HALF Litre with bigger blower and more RPM? Sorry for the cynicism guys, I think the latest offering is cool but it's tough to see the same basic recipe from 2003 (actually, 1996) being constantly stretched to the limits when "fresh" block architecture called "The Boss" has been available for more than 10 years. Clearly they had big plans for this larger block but they were wussified claiming emissions difficulties. People act like it would be some impossible task to upscale yet GM and Mopar some how seem to make it work year after year with less efficient cylinder heads.
Is the Boss back? WHEN???!!
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There no way anyone will fit a twin turbo 7l Doha in an alpha chassis without the worlds widest body kit.
Dohc 454 will barely fit in an suv.
The whole reason Ford hasn’t built a bigger dohc that 5.8L is because physically, the width is as much as they can work with. There’s a reason behind many things Ford does that usually is hard to see but makes much more sense than the internet drivel thrown around.
The dohc v6 in the alpha takes up more space horizontally than the lt4.
Dohc 454 will barely fit in an suv.
The whole reason Ford hasn’t built a bigger dohc that 5.8L is because physically, the width is as much as they can work with. There’s a reason behind many things Ford does that usually is hard to see but makes much more sense than the internet drivel thrown around.
The dohc v6 in the alpha takes up more space horizontally than the lt4.
If a 3.6L v6 dohc squeezes in to this bay tightly, tell me how a 5.5-7.0 Dohc is going to fit. With turbos no less.
The sky isn’t falling, and 460 to 750+hp is plenty in a 3750lbs car for sub $100k, let alone a sub $50k car.
I think 9/10 people bitching about numbers don’t realize that the driving experience in many of these cars with ridiculous numbers is, well, ridiculous.
I have 1200whp in a 3400lbs car. I have more fun driving it on 800whp. I have even more fun driving very light 2500lbs cars with 400whp. That right, it’s more fun to drive a slower car fast than a fast car slow.
This is a 5.0 mustang. Notice how it barely fits? It’s give or take a foot wider than an lt4/ls/etc
4.6 vs 5.7L. Tell me how a 7.0 or even a 5.5 Dohc is fitting in anything narrower than a Lamborghini
For the record, at this point, **** Dohc. Chevys lt4 is shorter/smaller/lighter-and can be much lighter than it is*, gets better mpg, and is rev happy enough.
I like Dohc when it’s done right and hits 8000rpm smooth as silk.
I like Dohc when it’s done right and hits 8000rpm smooth as silk.
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There is no spoon........
Hell there’s not even a shoehorn
What does an LT4 weigh in comparison to, say, a Trinity 5.8?
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Well played sir
LS3: 420
Ls7: 454
LT4: 529
Gen 1 coyote 5.0: 430
Trinity 5.8: 623 - I can only find the "shipping weight," not just the engine weight.
The shipping weight usually comes in at ~100 lbs more.
Basically, my point, is that the current engines used by the Mustang and Camaro have near identical weights. The LT1 weighs 465 lbs, the Gen 2 Coyote 445 lbs., and I'm sure the Gen 3 weighs the roughly the same as the LT1. Listing the Chevy engines as having a weight advantage is a myth that keeps getting repeated on message boards. I'm sure the supercharged 5.2 will weigh basically the same as the LT4.
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I’ll chime in on this in a bit, I’m trying to compress what I want to say so it doesn’t take a year to read.
Yes, the LT4 is heavier. By a small amount. No myth or “gotchya” there.
An LS7 is voodoo weight with 7l and much more headroom to make power.
Packaging goes to the ohv’s
Mpg currently goes to the ohv’s
Cost goes to the ohv’s
Ability to shed weight from valve covers, hci and headers and deleting emissions/tech like cylinder deactivation goes to the ohv’s
Tuning goes to the ohv’s
Centerline of weight ohv’s
Ease of repair ohv’s
Tq/lbs ohvs
L/lbs ohvs
Ease of hitting and fitting 400-800hp for and into any given project car while keeping a budget and minimizing complexity goes to ohv’s
Hell instead of fleshing any of this out I’m just going to go to work and let the internet community decide to chime in
Notice I say ohv, I have nothing against Ford for going Dohc but they did it at a time that made little sense to do so. It’s very easy to hit 200-300hp with ohv, and it’s far less complicated. Had ford kept a large line of windsor or retooled to keep making competitive ohv, profits and costs benefits would have been ahead of where the entire dohc parade took them. Sell as many f series as you had, but shave 1-200lbs of the nose, make easier hp, and get innovative like Chevy and Dodge did. The dohc concept is great but big vehicles need displacement and American cars are big. Our small cars make European cars look like mini’s.
Yes, the LT4 is heavier. By a small amount. No myth or “gotchya” there.
An LS7 is voodoo weight with 7l and much more headroom to make power.
Packaging goes to the ohv’s
Mpg currently goes to the ohv’s
Cost goes to the ohv’s
Ability to shed weight from valve covers, hci and headers and deleting emissions/tech like cylinder deactivation goes to the ohv’s
Tuning goes to the ohv’s
Centerline of weight ohv’s
Ease of repair ohv’s
Tq/lbs ohvs
L/lbs ohvs
Ease of hitting and fitting 400-800hp for and into any given project car while keeping a budget and minimizing complexity goes to ohv’s
Hell instead of fleshing any of this out I’m just going to go to work and let the internet community decide to chime in
Notice I say ohv, I have nothing against Ford for going Dohc but they did it at a time that made little sense to do so. It’s very easy to hit 200-300hp with ohv, and it’s far less complicated. Had ford kept a large line of windsor or retooled to keep making competitive ohv, profits and costs benefits would have been ahead of where the entire dohc parade took them. Sell as many f series as you had, but shave 1-200lbs of the nose, make easier hp, and get innovative like Chevy and Dodge did. The dohc concept is great but big vehicles need displacement and American cars are big. Our small cars make European cars look like mini’s.
The current crate motor cost of an LT1 is more than the Coyote
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