Who said i was looking partner??
GT500 Will Kill GT350 Prices, No?
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Who said i was looking partner??
How?? Im not looking for one. Chances are your not gonna find a dealer advertising it that low. But you should already know that. A sticker price is just that. You choose to pay it or make an offer and see where it goes.
So you are saying I don't own a Demon. Is that right? Wanna bet? How much you wanna bet? Why would I lie about that?
Let's put it real simple. Your a car nut. You LOVE cars . Which is the car people will want...the 350R or the GT500? Name me one advantage of the 350R over the GT500 other than price and minimal weight savings which won't even be noticeable because of the HUGE power increase?
Look, Ford just made the same car MUCH BETTER and people think the 350s won't lose value?
The 500 and 350/R are totally different cars. Im speculating a bit here since the has no real confirmed details on the GT500 but the 350R is the ultimate mustang in terms of balance, power, and handling. 526hp is in or near the sweet spot for open tracking power. 700+ is going to be way too much for those that don't have tons of track day experience. I am not saying it won't handle, but assuming additional weight over the front from the S/C, intercooler, larger brakes, will effect the balance. I am sure Ford will cut weight else where but again that's speculation.
The other big support the 350 and 350R got was from drivers mainly of a different crowd (Porsche/BMW) buying these. You won't see that was much with the GT500 since it doesn't fit the bill like the 350/350R did. Will values drop initially on the standard 350s, definitely. Will they tank, No depending on the definition of tank. However I could definitely see mid to upper 40s on lower mileage cars until they're bought up. Rs will be more protected from that due to their limited numbers. Most of the people who bought 350s from the 13-14 GT500 that didn't like them for the lack of grunt have already moved on my guess and a bit of those are currently making the used market now in addition to the ones that just want the top of the line.
I can also see the 13-14 GT500 market taking a hit as well since those who are all about power will be wanting to stay with the big power top dog. Especially on the new chassis. However I could see some staying with the 13-14 too as I believe the new GT500 will stay with an independent rear.
Time will tell
Bait and switch. I called and they're asking 40k over. so 107,000$
The other big support the 350 and 350R got was from drivers mainly of a different crowd (Porsche/BMW) buying these. You won't see that was much with the GT500 since it doesn't fit the bill like the 350/350R did. Will values drop initially on the standard 350s, definitely. Will they tank, No depending on the definition of tank. However I could definitely see mid to upper 40s on lower mileage cars until they're bought up. Rs will be more protected from that due to their limited numbers. Most of the people who bought 350s from the 13-14 GT500 that didn't like them for the lack of grunt have already moved on my guess and a bit of those are currently making the used market now in addition to the ones that just want the top of the line.
I can also see the 13-14 GT500 market taking a hit as well since those who are all about power will be wanting to stay with the big power top dog. Especially on the new chassis. However I could see some staying with the 13-14 too as I believe the new GT500 will stay with an independent rear.
Time will tell
Bait and switch. I called and they're asking 40k over. so 107,000$
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There isn't a dealer on the planet that would sell a GT350R for $500 over invoice.
No, you're just a troll.
How can I prove it to you?
Maybe, maybe not. But thats all assumptions, not facts.
I couldn't disagree more. The reason the 500 is more of a threat to the R's is price point. If someone could afford the R, most likely they'd already be driving one. Very few people skipped out on it just because they didn't see the additional value (I'm one of the few). I can afford an R, I just didn't see a commensurate upgrade in performance for $30k more. I bought my 350 track pack slightly used (7k miles) for $52k. I couldn't find a used R for anywhere NEAR that.
It's unthinkable that Ford will price a newer, supercharged car with improved brakes (and who knows what else) for the price range of the base 350. It's MUCH MUCH more likely that they will offer the car somewhere in or near the R price range. THAT will mean that despite all the purchase bias rationalizing, it will draw sales away from NEW potential R purchasers as well as all the guys who own an R that want the additional power and a factory warranty to go with it.
There are going to be the ultra purists types who are truly convinced that the 350 is a wholly different car and better balanced, etc, etc. But most of that is self serving and just parroting from others.
As far as trackability, there are plenty of cars that turn better lap times that are more difficult/unforgiving to drive that cost more (and that people would LOVE to have over their 350).
The cold hard fact that's going to emerge is that the 500 is just a better car. Period. Where they price it will depend on which model gets hit the hardest on current and future values.
IF the 500 come outs with a solid rear axle, smaller brakes and lighter/smaller radii rims, I'd agree more with you in that it's more of a muscle car. We'll just have to see. I don't see an IRS car with carbon ceramics as a muscle car to compete MOPAR. I see it as a track car to compete with ZL1.
I can see prices going down on both the 350 & 350R as the GT500 is released as its already been happening. If you look hard enough you can find an R for MSRP, or slightly over, which was impossible just a few months ago. Same thing happens to most models when the latest and greatest comes out. Time will tell.
Those saying the R's and 350s won't get hurt hard, answer me this...
What about the 350 will be superior to the 500?
These aren't apples to oranges cars. The 500 is the SAME car as the 350, with more power, better brakes, better tranny AND 2 more years of Ford engineers tuning / dialing the car in. Yeah, it won't hurt the 350 values at all...PAH-LEASE.
Guys that thing the 350R is gonna be some long term collectible remind me of the dudes that were paying 20K over for the Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition. Constantly justifying how it was the best handling mustang ever, etc. Sure for it's time. Now it's a joke considering what's available. Same way the 305R will be "yeah, cool...but the new..." in just a year or two.
I know it sucks to buy a car for 70-90K hoping it will hold it's value for a long time. It's gonna plummet. Here's why...
The 2019 GT500 will most likely be $75-80K. Expect it to be priced just Below Demon and just above ZL1 1LE. Now who in their right mind would pay anywhere near 75K for a 350R with the GT500 coming in at the same? Nah, keep that extra 200 horsepower and better everything...I'll stick with the R. Not. Happening.
What about the 350 will be superior to the 500?
These aren't apples to oranges cars. The 500 is the SAME car as the 350, with more power, better brakes, better tranny AND 2 more years of Ford engineers tuning / dialing the car in. Yeah, it won't hurt the 350 values at all...PAH-LEASE.
Guys that thing the 350R is gonna be some long term collectible remind me of the dudes that were paying 20K over for the Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition. Constantly justifying how it was the best handling mustang ever, etc. Sure for it's time. Now it's a joke considering what's available. Same way the 305R will be "yeah, cool...but the new..." in just a year or two.
I know it sucks to buy a car for 70-90K hoping it will hold it's value for a long time. It's gonna plummet. Here's why...
The 2019 GT500 will most likely be $75-80K. Expect it to be priced just Below Demon and just above ZL1 1LE. Now who in their right mind would pay anywhere near 75K for a 350R with the GT500 coming in at the same? Nah, keep that extra 200 horsepower and better everything...I'll stick with the R. Not. Happening.
Ford may also be taking a page from Porsche who brought back the GT2 RS last year...the GT3 or GT3 RS doesn't seem to have suffered, I'm sure GT3RS owners didn't even bat an eye. Both world class track oriented cars and by the way.
I'm sure theres a thread or two of upset folks that the new GT500 is not a drag oriented car out there somewhere. I personally always thought the GT500 was cool but, it seemed like a compromise...It wasn't going to really handle great and if Ford was serious about it being a 1/4 mile star it would have offered an auto prepped to do the job IMO. Drag or track oriented I would have been good with it as long as it didn't sit averagely in the middle.
I'm sure theres a thread or two of upset folks that the new GT500 is not a drag oriented car out there somewhere. I personally always thought the GT500 was cool but, it seemed like a compromise...It wasn't going to really handle great and if Ford was serious about it being a 1/4 mile star it would have offered an auto prepped to do the job IMO. Drag or track oriented I would have been good with it as long as it didn't sit averagely in the middle.
The GT350 had a specific mission and it absolutely crushed it. Not at all about brute force but rather great power with finesse. It has easily been the most track-ready Mustang produced to date that continues to impress anyone that shares a track with one. Interesting to hear the expert opinion from some that never owned or tracked a GT350.
The GT500 most likely doesn't appeal to the same audience. If it is indeed a CPC supercharged engine with a DCT it will be a much different car. Not likely to be as nimble as a GT350 but I'm quite sure Ford will work some magic here such that the car performs extremely well for a fatty.
The GT500 most likely doesn't appeal to the same audience. If it is indeed a CPC supercharged engine with a DCT it will be a much different car. Not likely to be as nimble as a GT350 but I'm quite sure Ford will work some magic here such that the car performs extremely well for a fatty.
Post a picture. I’ll be watching, no proof=gone. Understand?
This good enough for you? Or do I have to put some loafs of bread across the windshield too?
Nope, with the car.This good enough for you? Or do I have to put some loafs of bread across the windshield too?
See my PM to you. Me, my pops and my Demon. Cause I just have Demon keys lying around the place...Jeez. Really?
How about this. I'm in my apartment, with Demon keys. Ask me to do something with them. Hold them over a toilet? Put them in front of my Bulldog's face? Take photo inside refrigerator with keys. You name it. Wow...you guys really think I'm some fake troll.
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