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Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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Just my opinion, 700 implies 700-750, which I think it really needs to have more than the already announced ZR1.
Still hoping for 755+
Still hoping for 755+
Why would a mustang be trying to compete with a top tier corvette? The mustang chassis does not have the means of putting power down like the C7 chassis, just take it for what it is and let it be good at that.
Why shouldn't it? The 13-14 had more HP than any Vette.
And the ZR1 is soon to not be the top tier Vette, that will be the mid engine C8
Ford has already dropped Easter eggs about it in the 2018 Mustang brochure. There's a pic of the instrument display showing the car in 7th gear (with paddles surrounding the gear number) and 72MPH. So, if it sticks to how the last time an egg was dropped that way, it's going to be more than 772HP. I'm going to take the liberty and say the paddles around the 7 means it's going to have a 7-speed DCT available. (Which is something I've been saying for a couple years now.)
The C7 ZR1 is still going to be the top-tier Corvette until Chevy releases a Z06 or ZR1 version of the C8.
I'm voting for 755HP.
Because the vette is not a straight line car... you try to put the same horsepower in a mustang and a corvette and set them both loose on the track, all the mustang is going to do is embarrass itself.
The C7 z06 lacked the serious aero needed for 650 HP, and you expect a mustang with 700+ to hang? Have you seen the aero on the C7 zr1, or ACR viper for that matter? These cars are not just "not on the same page," they aren't even reading the same book. Not to mention unless the GT500 got some sort of wide body, the corvette will have a MASSIVE tire advantage.
If the only thing that matters though is HP numbers and nothing else, sure, take that hollow victory...
The GT500 is the best straight line car Ford will have. It's the straight line car the non GT350 fans have been waiting for.
With less HP and more weight, it will lose at the drag strip to the "not a straight line" vette.
No Bueno.
If you want to claim it shouldn't need to lap a given track faster, I can buy into that. But at the drag strip, it should be capable of giving the top vette a race.
That's fair, i guess we just care about different things.
Consider this, though. The '15 Z06 ran a 1:38.60 hot lap when Motor Trend had it in the 2015 BDC competition. I know people will say, "but that car wasn't making full power," but that's the particular point here. The much less powerful '16 GT350R laid down 1:36.11. That's 2.49 seconds faster. I think it's fairly safe to say that, even though the Z06 wasn't making full power on its run, it was probably still making in the neighborhood of GT350R power and is 100+ lbs lighter.
Now, you could reasonably argue to look at the Grand Sport, instead. That car ran 1:35.62 on its BDC hot lap. It's also +/-100 lbs lighter than a Z06 w/ Z07 package and over 200 lbs lighter than the GT350R. Some say the GS is actually a better balanced car because it's not overpowering its chassis and can make better use of the power available.
Anyway, I said all that to say this. Add plenty of power and appropriate suspension tweaks, and there's really no reason that the GT500 couldn't be in the ballpark of the ZR1, which weighs the same as the Z06. Also, we have yet to see performance numbers on the ZR1, and Chevy is on record saying the new ZR1 is basically a very track capable GT car, not a streetable track car. It's going to be bonkers on track, but not balls-to-the-wall crazy. And there might very well be an R/KR variant of the new GT500 still looming.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many of you are obsessed with "will the Mustang GT500R KR 7.0L FPC be faster than the HellDemon ZR6 with the 1LE package." Other than a handful of people on forums, no one cares about a tenth or two in the 1/4 mile or around a track. All these cars are fast as hell. Its about the looks and the driving experience. If you like both, by the car. If you don't, buy something else. Stop worrying about one of them being a tiny bit faster. I had the same concerns around the 5.0L and the Buick GN/IROC/TA/Vette back in the day. Then I grew up and realized it didn't matter.
Someone must have really prodded your prostrate to get you to post that.
Averaging 11 posts a year for 16 years.
The two items that differentiate our GT350's most are FPC and CF rims.
So the big question is FPC or not... Selfishly I hope the FPC is terminated after 2018, making our lowly 526HP machines more unique.
Also, looks like Aluminum rims on that snake, so CF rims may be dropped too yielding another desire.
So the big question is FPC or not... Selfishly I hope the FPC is terminated after 2018, making our lowly 526HP machines more unique.
Also, looks like Aluminum rims on that snake, so CF rims may be dropped too yielding another desire.
LOL, yeah I have been playing this fast car game a long time on the interwebs, but don't post much. Ask Tob
LOL, yeah I have been playing this fast car game a long time on the interwebs, but don't post much. Ask Tob
Silent but deadly, my favorite.
Three points (and to be clear, i'm discussing, not arguing).
1. The Z06 was very down on power, considering it has no actual intake manifold, and the non-functioning supercharger was a giant restriction... I don't think we can take those lap times as serious as you are looking to to make your point.
2. I'm one of the people that say that. The Z06 aero is disproportionate in the amount of drag it creates compared to the amount of downforce it produces. That vertical duckbill is a terrible design.
3. It's really not about "tweaks," its about physical suspension geometry. The corvette has a double wishbone front suspension, the mustang has a Macpherson strut. The Corvette has a vastly superior rear subframe and IRS - the rear struts on a vette are mounted at 45*, which allows room for MASSIVE rims, and much better geometry when loading in a corner. The stock rear rims on my dad's c7 z are 12", which is nuts. The mustang architecture just isnt set up to be as competitive as the vette.
I dont want to take anything away from the mustang, the S550 is leaps and bounds above the S197, which was also a damn good platform, but in no way, shape, or form, is it competing with a high HP c7.
This will become even more apparent with the next generation Vette.
Odds they will release a KR version?
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