NEW! 1 leaked drawing of new GT500 engine

Kaneda said:

But you can't put ADM aside. I can walk into a Chevy dealership tomorrow and drive off with a ZL1 1LE for like $67,000. You can't even touch a GT350R for less than $85,000 now.

Ford and Chevy have "moved on" from Horsepower wars? Yeah...and that sucks. Who cares about track times? I want 1/4 times. So does 99% of America.

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One of the USA's biggest problems is total economic illiteracy. This is a great illustration.

It's also a great illustration of how oblivious people can be to reality. " The HP wars are over"...as the two aforementioneded companies will both shortly be selling what are far and away the highest HP cars they've ever sold. Right. Super hot take. Very perceptive.

DBK said:

One of the USA's biggest problems is total economic illiteracy. This is a great illustration.

It's also a great illustration of how oblivious people can be to reality. " The HP wars are over"...as the two aforementioneded companies will both shortly be selling what are far and away the highest HP cars they've ever sold. Right. Super hot take. Very perceptive.

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Completely agree. These forums drive me nuts. I just want info on the next GT500. Lol. Ford, Chevy, and dodge will all 3have the quickest cars they’ve ever produced. In all aspects. It’s a great day to be a car enthusiast. And ford clearly stated they wouldn’t have the 350 and 500 being sold at the same time. Not sure why some people feel that this car keeps “getting delayed” or “pushed back”. Seems to fit right in line with what ford has been saying all along.

I apologize if this has been covered, but any confirmation on 2 transmissions being available (like a Tremec 6 speed and the new 10-speed auto)?

Voltwings said:

...... as someone who has been road coursing for years, i can confidently say that - the GT350R is meant to go out and lap all day. I'm not taking anything from the Camaro by saying this, i'm just saying they serve two different purposes. The ZL1 1LE sells to the magazine and bench racing crowd, the GT350(R) sells to racers.

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I usually agree with most of what you post, but if you are insinuating above that the zl1 1le cannot hang lap after lap on the road course then i STRONGLY disagree on that one.

That car has more coolers than Apple's Corp server room .....it's pretty well documented that Chevy figured out how to deal with the heat on the 1le.

gimmie11s said:

I usually agree with most of what you post, but if you are insinuating above that the zl1 1le cannot hang lap after lap on the road course then i STRONGLY disagree on that one.

That car has more coolers than Apple's Corp server room .....it's pretty well documented that Chevy figured out how to deal with the heat on the 1le.

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I will give Chevrolet credit, in that they are obviously ahead of the game with vented hoods, coolers, etc... but be that as it may, the ZL1 1LE running 20-30 minutes at a time in the hands of a competent driver will still get damn hot. Now, even if the thing gets hot and pulls some timing and reduces performance, it's still got a shit load of power, so is it really going to matter? Probably not, but i don't think anyone is making the argument that a boosted car is better for track service than NA.

Breitling said:

I apologize if this has been covered, but any confirmation on 2 transmissions being available (like a Tremec 6 speed and the new 10-speed auto)?

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At this point - no. Then again, Ford has yet to comment.

If you think about it, Ford has gotten by with only one transmission offering on their top dog Mustang for some time. They have stuck with a manual as much as some have expressed the desire to buy an automatic. GM has offered both on the Camaro and Dodge has done the same with their Challenger variants. There is an obvious economic advantage in sticking with only one transmission that has transcended any disdain for lack of choice. So if Ford once again offers only one choice of transmission it would be in line with what they have done in the past aside from the obvious fact that the transmission itself would be much different.

If the DCT proves to be robust under duress while shifting like a kitten around town I have zero issue with it and I laud the move on this particular car.

I traded my 14 GT500 in on a 16 Challenger HC about 20 months ago. I keep checking back here every few months to see if there is any credible news on a new GT500. Love the Hellcat, but wouldn't hesitate to trade it for a quicker GT500 that was just as much fun to drive.

I was really hoping the new GT500 would be a TT 5.0 or 5.2 with a 10 spd automatic making about 750 HP. I could also live with a supercharged version, especially if it was a twin screw. The deal breaker for me will be if it's only available with a manual transmission. The automatic is much more forgiving at that power level and the car will be quicker on the street and strip and just as quick on a road course. The automatic also makes driving in traffic a lot easier and less stressful.

Target should be Hellcats with automatic transmission, not the Demon. The Demon is a limited production car like the Super Snake, and those are going to be a rare sight with only 3000 being made and huge dealer markups. That said, there are rumors in the Dodge community that in response to the upcoming GT500, the regular Challenger HC with big brakes and 20" wheels without the silly fender flares, may be getting an optional 808 HP Demon motor and upgraded drivetrain in 2019.

Saying you can bolt on some mods to your GT, GT350 or GT500 and be just as quick as the Hellcat or Demon is not really valid. The comparison needs to be stock vs stock. Those guys mod their cars just as much as the GT500 guys do. Most popular mods for HC are Intake/air box, upgraded driveshaft, smaller blower pulley and a tune. Demons are just now being delivered and I haven't seen any track videos yet, except the press stuff and those are never good.

Still keeping my fingers crossed for a mid 10 second GT500 with an automatic, and will be checking back in a few months.

David

David Neibert said:

I traded my 14 GT500 in on a 16 Challenger HC about 20 months ago. I keep checking back here every few months to see if there is any credible news on a new GT500. Love the Hellcat, but wouldn't hesitate to trade it for a quicker GT500 that was just as much fun to drive.

I was really hoping the new GT500 would be a TT 5.0 or 5.2 with a 10 spd automatic making about 750 HP. I could also live with a supercharged version, especially if it was a twin screw. The deal breaker for me will be if it's only available with a manual transmission. The automatic is much more forgiving at that power level and the car will be quicker on the street and strip and just as quick on a road course. The automatic also makes driving in traffic a lot easier and less stressful.

Target should be Hellcats with automatic transmission, not the Demon. The Demon is a limited production car like the Super Snake, and those are going to be a rare sight with only 3000 being made and huge dealer markups. That said, there are rumors in the Dodge community that in response to the upcoming GT500, the regular Challenger HC with big brakes and 20" wheels without the silly fender flares, may be getting an optional 808 HP Demon motor and upgraded drivetrain in 2019.

Saying you can bolt on some mods to your GT, GT350 or GT500 and be just as quick the Hellcat or Demon is not really valid. The comparison needs to be stock vs stock. Those guys mod their cars just as much as the GT500 guys do. Most popular mods for HC are Intake/air box, upgraded driveshaft, smaller blower pulley and a tune. Demons are just now being delivered and I haven't seen any track videos yet, except the press stuff and those are never good.

Still keeping my fingers crossed for a mid 10 second GT500 with an automatic, and will be checking back in a few months.

David

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Always cracks me up when people do that. Just because your car with mods runs what another car does stock, who cares. Lol. The odds of that car being stock are the same as yours. Hellcats get modded just like GT500s.

Yeah, this next GT500, I'm not touching it, aside from catch cans, its staying stock. 800HP range w/dct is good enough for me this go round.

gimmie11s said:

I usually agree with most of what you post, but if you are insinuating above that the zl1 1le cannot hang lap after lap on the road course then i STRONGLY disagree on that one.

That car has more coolers than Apple's Corp server room .....it's pretty well documented that Chevy figured out how to deal with the heat on the 1le.

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It can’t 5 laps max.

From car and driver.
“At the Jacques Villeneuve–designed Area 27 in British Columbia, we ran 40-plus laps of the 3.0-mile circuit. It was the brakes—the iron-rotor units carry over from the regular ZL1 except for the ABS calibration—rather than spent tires that prevented us from turning more than five hot laps at a time; the pedal gets a little long on the fifth lap.”

Stock brakes plagued the stock 2013/14 gt500’s as well.

Steel rotors are fine, it most likely comes with dot3 fluid and mild pads being an insurance requirement. The 13/14 gt500’s needed a track prep brake job as well.

If the camaro is running good fluid/pads stock, then it’s just an air flow, or ducting issue to the brakes. People use well setup iron disc brake setups successfully. 3900lbs is a lot of car though.

Considering the Demon is STILL listed at 4200 curb weight with all seats but the drivers removed, 60 less HP from the new GT500 engine would still make the GT500 faster. Power to weight and traction. It has been and will continue to be that simple.

A mild 408 fox with a decent 80, and nice chassis will make a demon or a gt500 look very slow for about $25k.

When you get into factory cars needing the seats optionally pulled and slicks optionally installed and a race gas calibration and so on, sure it’s cool, but it’s not stock. This joke has played its course.

Drag prep a new gt500 and it’ll run very close to demon times. 755hp tunes for race gas so let’s say 775hp with 3900lbs being dropped to 3825 by yanking the seats, and a better drag coefficient on a sticky tire will be a good match for 840hp and 4200lbs in my opinion. I could see the dodge still having an edge on trap speed by 2-3mph though, but the launch and elapsed time will be a drivers race.

If anyone doesn’t like comparing modded cars, consider this. Would you rather face blowing up a $35000 engine in a 2018 demon or 2019 gt500 or rebuilding a mild 408 for $5k (on a high)? Would you rather melt a $4000 supercharger or grenade a $1500 turbo? Sheer a $2800 axle or a $700 one?

You start drag racing a car, and the warranty goes goodbye unless you know a guy who knows a guy that’ll fit the manager at the dealer with walking papers or cement shoes.

I’d personally rather build and tweak a home built 8 second Fox for $30-40k than start with an $80k car that has a warranty and resale value, and try to get 8’s out of a nice, well appointed and multifaceted car. Not to mention try going 9’s and 8’s with 4000lbs of car. My 03 cobra is 3400lbs that that took a lot of work to get there. How often do you see anyone getting a charger into the 8’s? People see 4300lbs and say f that. A neon with 600hp would be easier to get into the 9’s than a charger with 900hp.

tt335ci03cobra said:

Drag prep a new gt500 and it’ll run very close to demon times. 755hp tunes for race gas so let’s say 775hp with 3900lbs being dropped to 3825 by yanking the seats, and a better drag coefficient on a sticky tire will be a good match for 840hp and 4200lbs in my opinion. I could see the dodge still having an edge on trap speed by 2-3mph though, but the launch and elapsed time will be a drivers race..

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New as in 13/14 or new as in the one we know nothing about?

If you mean the 13/14 car, please point me to ONE that has gone 140mph bone stock? Or even 135? Or a sub 10.5 1/4 mi?

New as in the one that isn’t 5 years old... which is obvious.

The ones that are 5 years old:
-make 662hp, not 755 or whatever
-were not $80k then, they’re like $35-40k now iirc.

The 2018 10a mustang GTs running 11’s@120 are surprisingly close to the mid 11’s most hellcat/zl1/2013 gt500 owners and fans would consider as healthy in the quarter mile. My point was if you take that car, add 315hp, and set it up well, you won’t need any mods (save bolt ons) to be very happy with it. The launch will finally be there so now a high up mustang will really dig in and move out. The trinity cars did much better than previous attempts, but with the 10a and 2018 gt, ford nailed the launch. If they can get a 3.0-3.25 0-60 out of the new gt500, it’ll be very quick with 755hp or whatever. Trinity cars pulled 3.5 0-60 in lots of magazine tests for comparison.