Net Neutrality Is Getting Replealed

2oo3gt said:

Everyone bitches about customer service at the current telecom companies and how evil they are, yet everyone magically thinks that the telecoms are going to do right by the customers?

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This is the part that cracks me up.

People
1. Seem to refuse that Govt is basically just a HUGE business, but are just fine trusting large corporations. What sways the way representatives vote? Money. Who has the money? The Rich/Corporations.
2. Seem to think that big Business will "just do the right thing" forgetting they are MONEY driven. Would so many electric and hybrid cars exist without tax breaks? Very unlikely as to make them people need to be buying them. People can't buy them if they cant afford them. No one can afford it? Then Business won't make it unless the RICH want it or Govt helps make it affordable.

In either case everyone is saying "my group of people controlled by the rich is better than YOUR group of people controlled by the rich!".

Personally I don't trust EITHER group with internet regulation, but I trust the group with Money in the game even less.

Serpent said:

Exactly, you do not want Net Neutrality to be repealed, we will all ****ing lose. Look at the companies supporting repeal, At&t, Comcast, Verizon. All the data providers.

The companies against net neutrality repeal? Amazon, google, reddit, facebook, pornhub.

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+1. We want keep it neutral, removing it may allow ISP providers block access, slow down or speed up service for competitors or business partners....as long as they notify their customers. Keeping in place keeps everything on an equal access to the internet. Millions of people, mostly in favor of, submitted replies to FCC about maintaining it, and yet the gov does not want to mention it.

Hypothetical situation:
Pornhub is free to go right now. They (ISP) could charge you a small fee to get to the site, but for an additonial amount you could stream it at a faster speed. Nobody wants to pay for free porn!



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Our government won't change until we stop voting for these assholes

BigPoppa said:

That's right. Deregulate that crap.

This generation needs to get a taste of what we got from AT&T and Enron.

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Oh I remember the effects very well from Enron when California had their rolling blackouts during 2000-01.

If we end net neutrality, this is what we could end up with. Then, AT&T or whoever is also monitoring what you purchase and selling that to advertisers.

T.Man said:

"Net Neutrality" is absolute garbage and I'm happy to see it go. It's the exact opposite of which the name implies. Of course there is going to be a massive revolt against the repeal of it. The large companies that benefited will of course put up quite a fight in the form of propaganda.

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You know who is FOR ending net neutrality? Every giant IPS, Comcast, AT&T, etc. Doesn't that alone tell you something.

Guess who is also suing to stop Google Fiber from rolling out? AT&T, Comcast, etc.

Who is working to block cities from creating their own ISP and thus increase competition? Again....AT&T, Comcast, etc.

You're literally saying for you are for everything that big business wants. You're probably going on the anti-big government, but while I'm all for that too, you're saying you're pro-monopoly and pro-paid off elected officials who are in bed with big ISPs.

Never_Enough said:

Our government won't change until we stop voting for these assholes

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Exactly

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How anyone can think this is a good idea is beyond me. Just amazes me how some will agree with things that aren't good for their own interest just because this administration is doing it.

2KBlackGT said:

How anyone can think this is a good idea is beyond me. Just amazes me how some will agree with things that aren't good for their own interest just because this administration is doing it.

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I agree this a bad move, big ISPs are already using loopholes with current rules in place, just imagine how far they will go when there are no rules governing their behavior. I am not usually a proponent of big brother laws, but the repeal of net neutrality worries me.

spectreman said:

IMHO, this is much ado about nothing. Let's remember, net neutrality has only been in effect for a short period of time. This was another government power grab during- no surprise- the Obama adminstration.

And if it drives the left nutz, then it's all good for me.

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And this is where the majority of uninformed people will fall. This isn't a Left or Right matter, it affects everyone. You think just because it drives the Left nuts it's a good idea? Give it 6 months after it's repealed and talk to me about your internet then. You'll be bitching and moaning along with the Left.

There's a reason every country outside the US is watching and praying it doesn't go through. Look at Portugal if you want an example of what we have to look forward to.

zeus201 said:

Hypothetical situation:
Pornhub is free to go right now. They (ISP) could charge you a small fee to get to the site, but for an additonial amount you could stream it at a faster speed. Nobody wants to pay for free porn!
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What is this "Pornhub" I see posted all the time?




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mariusvt said:

My only issue here is the isp companies that have implemented data caps already could shrink them and then exempt their own content. The result is that while not throttling any other content they limit your ability to use it.

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They already do this. Net neutrality was supposed to stop that but it did nothing.

GT Premi said:

How is it propaganda when the companies are on record saying those very things?? I didn't just pull that out of my ass. https://www.wired.com/2013/02/time-warner-cable-2/

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It's propaganda because they do it now and they are obviously not impeded.

M91196 said:

Access to the internet is a fundamental right.
We are the only civilized nation in the world that doesn't have access for all to an ISP.
If you like your ISP you can keep it.

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Hope you are joking. Internet is not a life necessity.

bglf83 said:

They already do this. Net neutrality was supposed to stop that but it did nothing.

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I think what's being said is they'll limit it even more. I pay $50 a month for 10gb of cell data. I pay $60 a month to Comcast and have 100gb of data before its throttled. Could you image Comcast changing my internet service to 20gb of day for home service for the same $60 I currently pay?

2KBlackGT said:

I think what's being said is they'll limit it even more. I pay $50 a month for 10gb of cell data. I pay $60 a month to Comcast and have 100gb of data before its throttled. Could you image Comcast changing my internet service to 20gb of day for home service for the same $60 I currently pay?

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Use a different provider.

Many options exist from line of sight, cell based options or secondary wired providers.

Even ATT offers a 250 GB cap LTE based service which could be an option. These companies want your money, options will not go away. Line of sight options do have high speed capabilities.

bglf83 said:

Hope you are joking. Internet is not a life necessity.

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Okay, get off here and live for a week with no internet.

and I mean NO internet. No forums, Googling, streaming, nothing. Post back and let us know how that goes.

Is heroin a life necessity? To an addict yes it is. If you are addicted to the internet you would say the same and be just as wrong. It is not a life necessity or human right.

It is an enjoyable and useful service worth paying for.

nickf2005 said:

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2. Capitalism will prevail, private companies will offer competitive services to win customers, and the consumer is happier with their service and/or price.

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See below.

hoamskilet said:

... People's thirst for bandwidth is insatiable and the cost of continuing to build out the networks is incredible.

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That reason alone is why capitalism won't prevail. At least, not from a consumer standpoint. The only thing that will happen is the content providers will send the prices for their services through the roof. Hulu already keeps creeping their prices up as they create tiered packages. Google was the only big company installing new infrastructure, but their actual endgame has never been disclosed, as far as I know. What is the "real" cost of having that fiber pulled into your home?


Anyway, as Serpent said, anybody who's against net neutrality is simply clueless of what it is. Net neutrality is one of the few times when the government actually tried to do right by the people. Trying to strip out every single thing the Obama administration put in place "just because" is like shooting yourself in the foot. Not to mention it's destabilizing the government. They're wasting time doing nothing.

On the capitalism praises, think about that praise the next time you want to complain about the high price of anything. That's capitalism prevailing. So you should just be happy to fork over every last dime of your money for insurance or to pay $30 for a 10-slice loaf of Wonder Bread.

Kimdot commie is on to something by creating a parallel internet.

Companies that create access.should have the right to conduct business they way they want within the law. Users have the right to buy what suits them and change services or truly cut the cord which makes the consumer powerful when we are not too lazy.

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