rear ice tank?

Willie

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.... Note: what was the ambient temperature for the numbers you mentioned?

100 to 107 in stop and go traffic.


.... Bigger chunks of ice are going to last longer than typical bagged ice. The real challenge is going to be how to store the ice before you need it. I don't think it will last that long once it's in the tank and the pump is cycling coolant.

Ditto. I've never tested this as I have yet to go drag racing with the rear system.


....Willie, one question I've got is how do you prevent smaller chunks of ice from blocking the flow out of the tank or worse yet getting in the pump?

The tank I have is about 8-inches tall. The ice usually occupies the upper half only. Also the outlet is at the bottom of the tank and it has a plastic grate, so sucking ice into the outlet is not an issue.
 

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My plan is to use the rear system only at the track. It will be interesting to see how many passes I get with the ice.

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Right now my iat2's are 120-130 with 70 outside temp. At wot it gets to 170-190, pulls mad timing.
When i dynoed in feb. my car made 860rwhp iat2's were 105 and last month it made 790 iat2s were 170.
Now with the ice tank in the rear, with no ice iat2s should drop by a bit just cuz its away from the engine heat right? With ice it defintely will
Be lot lower but wont last long for street.
 

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1) How much boost? Sea level I presume.
2) Octane?
3) How much timing when none is pulled?
4) How much timing is pulled when IAT2's are that high (170)?
5) AFR at WOT?
6) Tuner?

I'm only asking because I tune my own cars and know a "little" about this.
 

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Those numbers are from a mustang dyno;)
-made 20lbs of boost, pullied for 24lbs tho i have cams
-22* timing and sea level
e85
- I didnt look at the datalog for timing pulled yet, i ll check later
was tuned by LUND dont know the afr,
 

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Lund uses 11.5 AFR for pump gas as 12.0 for 100 octane. Don't know about e85. But if you can get me the rest of your numbers, I bet I can give you info on how to squeak out more power.
FYI, I also use methanol... The issue with e85 is it does nothing to cool the intake charge whereas methanol.......
 

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I can send u datalogs when i get home. I know definitely can squeeze more power, just have to control the temps and maybe little agressive tune. I thought about doing meth before too but there wasnt much info about it on gt500s so i went e85. Defitnely meth lower the temps a bit.
 

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My rear system is new and never road tested until today. Here are some numbers:

Ambient temp: 101 degrees
Relative Humidity: 35 percent (middle of monsoon season here)

Engine fully warmed up:
Engine coolant temp: 177 deg.
IAT2: 131 deg.
Front IC system temps:
Coming out of engine: 140 deg.
Going into engine: 122 deg.

Driving at a constant 45 mph, flipped to the rear system with ice. Once the temps stabilized:
IAT2: 86 deg. (A drop of 45 degrees)
Rear IC system temps:
Coming out of engine: 60 deg.
Going into engine: 54 deg.

The next time, I will gather rear temp data and IAT2, make a near WOT full in third and note the temps after. Then I will repeat but with my methanol turned on.
 

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Willie, are the intercooler temps at cruise or WOT? I'd kill for 35% humidity right now.
 
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The temps are cruise only. I thought it was fitting to gather this information first, as a baseline. The next time out, I will turn on the rear system, noting all temps after they stabilize, then a WOT pull in third, then noting temps again. I will then repeat this sequence with methanol.
 

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Thanks for sharing willie. Hopefully i'll be done installing the ice tank this weekend. I will share data as well...
 

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What rear pump do you use?

I have a Meziere hooked up to an adjustable Kenne Bell BAP. For this experiment, I was running the pump at 16 volts.

Its interesting that the front system gained 18* while the rear system only gained 6*

Yes it is. I attribute this result to the difference in the fluid temp, maybe??? I'm not versed in fluid dynamics / thermodynamics (least interested in college) but there must be something to be said about 130 degree temps vs. 60 degree.... and its ability to absorb heat from air..... you think?
 
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Yes it is. I attribute this result to the difference in the fluid temp, maybe??? I'm not versed in fluid dynamics (worst subject in college) but there must be something to be said about 130 degree temps vs. 60 degree.... and its ability to absorb heat from air..... you think?

Could it be that the fluid is flowing faster via the higher flowing pump, thus the fluid is absorbing less heat per pass but is sending more volume over the same amount of time? Which overall is pulling more heat out?
 

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