2017 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R vs. 2017 Chevy Camaro ZL1

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Finally driven both new 17 GT350 (non R) (electronics package) and 17 ZL1 (manual). Street driven combination of city traffic, freeway and some winding roads. Roughly 30 minutes in each with the wife.

Engine sound goes to the GT350. ZL1 while in sport or track mode (loudest settings) was noticeably quieter inside/outside and far less pleasant in comparison. (You would need to add a full cat back system that removes the secondary cats) to get close to the decibel level of the GT350 while creating a better sound from the pushrod engine.

Engine power hands down goes to the ZL1. It didn’t matter where is the power band I was at in any of the situations we were driving. Weather just part throttle or pinned at any rpm the ZL1 tc worked flawlessly, little spin then planted and went. GT350 wins having the experience of engine sound to power building throughout the power band. From 4k to 8k you just can't get the same feeling in the ZL1. Although the ZL1 instant push into seat feeling is addictive.

Handling is a tie between the two. Each has a different feel from corner entry to exit. GT350 you need to be in the right power band, Zl1 you can be anywhere. Both worked amazing.

Interior I am torn. GT350 has clean simple layout, good feeling when driving and great visibility. ZL1 you feel like your sitting inside and more part of the vehicle. Visibility was less but after 15 minutes you adapt to it. ZL1 gives you a good amount more for your $$. Recaros are heated/cooled, heated steering wheel, ambient lighting, lighted sill plates. Yes you can get the convenience package on the gt350 but those seats do not compare to the ZL1 Recaros.

Exterior I prefer the GT350 from all angles. ZL1 front and sides are good but the back is lacking. (black would be the only color choice followed by blacking out the tail lights and changing the rear spoiler for the ZL1 to make it aesthetically acceptable.

Build quality goes to the ZL1 as I could not find any issues with paint, body panel alignment, gaps in the three I looked at. I’ve looked at 5 GT350's over the last year and found multiple front/rear bumper, hood, fender alignment/gap and paint issues. (Very disturbing in a 60k plus vehicle).

In the end I'm still torn between the 2. Decisions Decisions! ZL1 pricing is 57-64k with rebates and discounts. 17 GT350's can be found for msrp 60k.

Would love to hear more opinions of those that have purchased GT350's and now sold them. What made you get rid of your GT350?
 

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It does not. It's interesting to see GM's recent history. Will it repeat? Seeing the discounted zl1, I would not be surprised.

If you are referring to the Camaro going on hiatus, I certainly hope not. That would be very sad. How are the sales of the Camaro doing lately? Can't be stellar because of the rebates.
 

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No im referring to how gm has to mark prices down considerably on their performance vehicles to make sales. Today's new zl1 selling for less than a used 13 gt500. Same thing for vettes.
 

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No im referring to how gm has to mark prices down considerably on their performance vehicles to make sales. Today's new zl1 selling for less than a used 13 gt500. Same thing for vettes.

Oh gotcha. That in itself is awesome and sad all at the same time. You can get a great deal for a lot of car but sad it is marked down.
 

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No im referring to how gm has to mark prices down considerably on their performance vehicles to make sales. Today's new zl1 selling for less than a used 13 gt500. Same thing for vettes.


Could it simply be a marketing strategy? People are suckers for "deals".


Without detailed knowledge of their cost structure on these models, it is pure conjecture. GM in particular, has considerable scale when it comes to performance vehicles. For a car that only sells ~30K/yr, a $300M investment in the Vette plant is a pretty good indication of a healthy ROIC, and solid profits.
 

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show me a new zl1 that selling less than a 13 or 14 gt500
 

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show me a new zl1 that selling less than a 13 or 14 gt500

He will - will spend some time to prove nothing. We could do the same but have somewhat of a life. Some sad comments here but expected on an SVT site. The ZL1 has great reviews and great real world reviews (no 'lack of torque ones though like the 350)..........so suck it up.
 

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Curious to find a ZL1 for low to mid 40's. Cheapest one within 500 miles of me is 59k.
 

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Could it simply be a marketing strategy? People are suckers for "deals".


Without detailed knowledge of their cost structure on these models, it is pure conjecture. GM in particular, has considerable scale when it comes to performance vehicles. For a car that only sells ~30K/yr, a $300M investment in the Vette plant is a pretty good indication of a healthy ROIC, and solid profits.

Yes it could be. Overprice to make it seem like a deal. Cost of 45k sell for 60k then offer 10k off to move vehicles.

Again it's a reason why I asked if the 70k price was with or before rebates....

show me a new zl1 that selling less than a 13 or 14 gt500

A number of vehicles selling for above 50k which someone quoted the price of a new zl1 with discounts.
http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sa...fset=30&mmt=[FORD[MUST[MUST|Shelby+GT500]][]]
 

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Could it simply be a marketing strategy? People are suckers for "deals".


Without detailed knowledge of their cost structure on these models, it is pure conjecture. GM in particular, has considerable scale when it comes to performance vehicles. For a car that only sells ~30K/yr, a $300M investment in the Vette plant is a pretty good indication of a healthy ROIC, and solid profits.

That is certainly a good point to make. I have no idea how much money Ford made of each 13/14 GT500. GM could still be reaping a pretty healthy profit off of each unit still at the heavily discounted price. Whatever it might be though, it's certainly a good move to make. Get those units out to the public, get word of mouth going, get people's wants up for them...
 
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It does not. It's interesting to see GM's recent history. Will it repeat? Seeing the discounted zl1, I would not be surprised.


Wow this comparison was utter crap. Really? complains about cup holders haha. I know nothing about big business but Ford's inability to post bigger profits than GM would be more concerning to me than ZL1 rebates. I guess I don't really care. I had my one timer in an American car and don't see anything drawing me back in soon.
 

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Wow this comparison was utter crap. Really? complains about cup holders haha. I know nothing about big business but Ford's inability to post bigger profits than GM would be more concerning to me than ZL1 rebates. I guess I don't really care. I had my one timer in an American car and don't see anything drawing me back in soon.

I said nothing of profitability. I simply asked if the 69k was before or after discounts. How is that a bad thing or wrong considering what gm has done in the past?
 

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I said nothing of profitability. I simply asked if the 69k was before or after discounts. How is that a bad thing or wrong considering what gm has done in the past?

ZL1 1LE msrp 69k price is without any discounts. I know of 2 dealerships taking orders with a gaurantee of no additional (ADM). Why can't Ford dealers take a stand to do the right thing and promote no (ADM) for there vehicles????
 

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ZL1 1LE msrp 69k price is without any discounts. I know of 2 dealerships taking orders with a gaurantee of no additional (ADM). Why can't Ford dealers take a stand to do the right thing and promote no (ADM) for there vehicles????
There are hundreds of dealers who sell without ADM.
 

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ZL1 1LE msrp 69k price is without any discounts. I know of 2 dealerships taking orders with a gaurantee of no additional (ADM). Why can't Ford dealers take a stand to do the right thing and promote no (ADM) for there vehicles????
Probably because they know nobody will pay adm on a camaro... lol. You really think a Chevy dealer is any different than ford about making as much money as possible?
 
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