Coyote timing, cam timing, tuning ect..

Ok so here it goes.. I took my car out to the track a few times and while I'm happy and it exceeded my expectations on the first outing, I was also a little discouraged on the 2nd outing. I'm looking for some help and guidance on the tune. my setup is in a foxbody and tuning is done with MS3PRO ecu with cams enabled (although cam tables were left zeroed out the first 2 outings). I had a member on the ms extra forums who also has a yote running on ms3 hook me up with a timing table and near stock cam tables.

So when I first got the timing map, I took a few degs out of the entire map to be safe as this is the first car I've ever tuned. While the car runs and pulls strong it seems to struggle down in the midrange around my launch rpm (4k give or take a few hundo). My best 60ft so far has been a 1.61 and best 1/8th mile time has been 7.09 at 99.94 mph. I know that 4k needs to go up some as the converter is probably tight but this was also foot braking and not using the trans brake yet..

Id like to see what kind of timing these things run at in the mid range and at wot. For the 8-10 passes ive made so far, its been at 25 deg of ign timing, give or take .5 or so. I'm also running on vp 110 fuel right now. I'm seeing some say that 28-29 deg on e85 is normal and some say they run that on 93 oct. I have no idea how vp110 stacks up to say e85 as far as ign timing is concered. so a little help with a near stock timing map would help greatly. If it matters this is a stock 13 motor (gt motor) with a cj intake and monoblade tb. IF someone could compare the timing in the pic ive posted below (even a stock table) just so I can compare and have a baseline..

I'm also having some issues trying to find anything on cam tables and what stock values would be or what works best on say a cj intake setup. Part of the problem here is that I'm using ms3pro so valves are entered a little different that you would see in say hptuners. basically the way its setup is 0 on the table is no advance and 40 is 40 deg advance for intake or 40 deg retard for exhaust. right now I have his tables loaded up but have no idea where to start with this.. if someone could help me out with some tables that would put me in the ball park that would be awesome. ill attach some pics so you guys can see what I'm talking about.

7.14 at 98 mph pass from the 2nd outing at 1.61 60ft

playing with the cams.. ghost cam idle thing stuff ish.. lol






Ok so heres the run down on this pass..
footbrake leaving at 4000.. no cams tables set up and 25 deg of timing at wot.
I let off at the 1/8th if anyone was curious

I recall seeing a thread or two regarding cam timing tables in 2011-2014 subforum here. I don't recall the specific thread, but I would start my search there. FWIW I am seeing 30/31 degrees of timing on E85. Think the car was seeing 25/26 on 93

https://www.svtperformance.com/forums/forums/2011-2014-mustangs.354/

I know on 93 my car see's 25-27 degrees during WOT. Knock is usually at -3, so it's happy. 28-29 seems high on 93.
With VP110, I would guess near values at E85 as mentioned by 03Sssnake timing.

My car on motor saw 29 on 93 and 33 on E85.

Here are the stock Optimum Power tables for a 2011 5.0. These are only active above 80 % load as well as a few other criteria. Most people tune the cam timing on a dyno, I haven't had the opportunity yet to try it out yet.

AKDMB said:

Here are the stock Optimum Power tables for a 2011 5.0. These are only active above 80 % load as well as a few other criteria. Most people tune the cam timing on a dyno, I haven't had the opportunity yet to try it out yet.

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Sweet... this will help out a little.. Would you happen to have the stock ign table as well? I curious to see what timing is around the map..

Thanks for the reply's everyone this will defiantly help me out some and give me a ball park idea of where I should be..

I can post it late tonight. It gets complicated though, there are 16 borderline timing tables (and 16 more MBT timing tables that it tries to work towards) and the car "weights" them or uses pieces and parts of them. It might use 1.63% of table 1 and 34.2% of table 7 and 6.21% of table 8 and 57.96% of the Optimum Power table. Then there are adders for lambda, coolant temp, intake air and the knock sensors can add a couple of degrees on top of that if they want to. In a perfect world the car would use 100% of the Optimum Power table for WOT, but that only happens some of the time. I am starting to tune spark on my little 3.7 (same logic as the 5.0) now and I had to change around a lot of stuff to get the car to run the timing I wanted. I'm slowly working my way up, adding a couple degrees of timing, checking for knock. I remember with stock timing settings the car didn't run timing values that resembled the stock timing tables, so take the timing values (when I post them) with a grain of salt if that makes sense.

Yep for sure.. im only going to use it as a reference anyway.. i didnt plan on mirroring it.. my car feels lazy out of the hole so i wanted to compair midrange and go from there.. the fact that im on racegas gices me a little room to play anyway

Here is a good starting point for your OP spark map. I also included the modifiers to go with this map.

The cells used in WOT are highlighted in blue so you could mess with them if you want. This is what I use as a base for 93 octane cars. It should command 26* of spark and then let KR add from there, which it usually does. Tip in can be adjusted based on your results, if you go -4 and notice no KR, then go -3, if no KR, then go -2. This will help give you a bit more power right after shifting, but don't zero it out right away or it may lead into some KR.

I don't check this forums often so if you wanna chat tuning feel free to PM my page on Facebook and I can try and help you out more ...