Demon on the Loose...

MarcSpaz said:

I don't know where you're seeing Fox Mustangs for $10k, but if you want one for $5k, let me know. They are for sale around here for $1,500 to $2,000 all day. I'd be happy to save you $5k while I make $3k. LOL

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Argument is it costs $10k to buy and build a 10 second fox and $20k to buy and build a 10 second Mod car.


10 second foxes are also retreaded slow on the street since they are 100% drag cars that are running a 10.98 at 90 mph because they have a .0006 60/ft and .0004 reaction time.*

*exaggeration

GNBRETT said:

This is NOVELTY car for some dude that

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This part makes sense.

The car is cool and all but with only 3k they will instantly sell out and get tucked away in climate controlled garages.

Guys will go around jerking off to the fact they own car number 1,034, it has 150 miles on it, the original OEM tires and still has the dealer plastic guards in the seat and floor mats.

I find it laughable that a 50-60 year old man sees such a car as an investment because of what a '71 Hemi Cudda goes for a Barrett Jackson.

It's like, Bruh, you even going to be alive in 40 years?

It would be interesting to see what HP an TQ figures look like on 91 octane pump gas.

GNBRETT said:

listen, its a Dodge..... it will tank in value just like every other Dodge does. In two years it will be worth $75-80k. So u spent $40-50k more then you should have for a Dodge and now its worth $20k less so ur WARRANTY aint gonna mean dick cause if you had any common sense you would have built ur own to go faster for HALF the cost and it didn't tank $20k in value two years later.

Its simply not a good investment and no one is talking about a 1990 Fox body Mustang. yes no shit there is no comparison but I will take any newer Mustang and modify it over an over priced 4600 lb. TANK!

lets wait and see how many average ppl get into the 9's with this before we start calling it s 9 second car.

This is NOVELTY car for some dude that has more money then sense! its a beautiful car but sorry $100k for a dodge Challenger with some upgrades is laughable!

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Cars are pleasure commodities, not investments. Who gives a shit man. Buy what you like. But I'm not gonna harp on someone because they don't like what I like. I'm not 11 years old.

So buy your mustang and mod it all up, do you. Only person it matters to is you....

Cool car no doubt and big props to Dodge for producing it...however, with only 3,000 units being made for the US, it's likely out of reach for most people and they should've planned on much higher production numbers. They say it's mainly to get people in the showroom.

I'm curious if the 3k limited release had to do with the EPA, CAFE or DOT. Maybe it keeps them from having to do some sort of testing or impacting fleet CAFE.


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Corbic said:

I'm curious if the 3k limited release had to do with the EPA, CAFE or DOT. Maybe it keeps them from having to do some sort of testing or impacting fleet CAFE.


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Ferrari gets away with the fuel econ it does because of limited build numbers as suggested.

Value is relative. Most people think the Gen V ACR is way overpriced, but considering what the car can do, in my opinion, it's a bargain and that's why I bought one. Saying it's "only a Dodge" really means nothing. Is a Ford GT just a Ford?

Bottom line is Dodge built a bad ass 9 second car and for those that have the means, it can be theirs. Some people don't want to waste time building a car. Not to mention a built Mustang Fox is still a Mystang Fox...I love them and have a pretty nice well built notch, but it's still just a notch.

That doesn't make sense though. The advertised emmissions and economy of the Demon are better than my Hellcat, and they built over 30,000 of them.

A reliable 9 second car is not cheap, nor a quick process.

A cheap, quick built 9 second fox will become a $15k money pit in short order.

I love how people forget about cooling, fuel, electrical, fi system, tuning etc. Just because a very hands on, very knowledgable gear head can put together a 9 second car for $10-15k in used/sourced parts does not many anybody else can do it. It's like remodeling a home. Can it be done head to toe for $25k? Absolutely. Luxury tile floors, beautiful cabinets and all. Just don't plan to spend less than 60 hours a week, and do it all yourself. Oh, you are awful with a table saw and know f*ck all about electrical? Eh who cares. A tv show said it can be done so just go for it!

Back to reality, Dodge just terminated the discussion. Period. This is the Jekle and Hide car. You can go to the track on Saturday, and go to church on Sunday. This is a car people like John Colleti build.

Is dodge going to price it like Colletti? Arguably yes, arguably no. Frankly I see it a great value in the $75-85k range. It has a 5 year warranty, the seats and radio are $1 options if I read an article correctly. Yeah. It's big boy money. It's not iroc Z (great cars honestly) or 5.0 money. Who can honestly talk shit though? The thing runs 9.60's and it's a full size muscle car around 4,000lbs...

I was wanting it to hit a 9.90@140 because I could tell how hard they were pushing it, and working it. I'm happy as hell for them getting it to a 9.65. Hell I hope they run a 9.50 in a mineshaft for the bragging rights. This car had one job and it did it.

Value wise, a pristine one in the rarist color with the right options will be worth $5-10 million in 40 years. Inflation and all, call it $50m.

You think people thought a convertible plum crazy cuda with an auto and wood dash would be worth $6m 50 years later? Please. That car was $4500ish brand new.

More cool air, supplied courtesy of the largest cool-air induction system and the only air-conditioner-powered charge-air cooler fitted to a production car, help to drop intake temps by more than 45 degrees Fahrenheit.

Dual fuel pumps and the world's only factory-provided race-gas tuning make sure this thing is super quick.

Dodge says the car is "officially banned by the NHRA" for being too quick for a production car to run at a drag strip without a cage.

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2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon: This Is It

MarcSpaz said:

Yea, bro... I'm not getting in a bidding war some some rich people to buy this car. I'll just deck out my Hellcat and appreciate the heated and cooled seats. LOL

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HA HAAAAAAAA
I know, right?!? Car is going to be crazy expensive.
Forget about the ADM.

GNBRETT said:

its no bargain at all. You can buy a fully built motor good to 2000 hp, a Turbo kit, a fuel system, upgrade ur transmission and rear end and save about $50k and go WAY faster.....

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But what you just listed, will cost about the same as the Demon after purchasing and having it installed properly.
OH,......and "hope" it doesn't break here and there. Then, you're spending even more money and time down.

Snoopy49 said:

It would be interesting to see what HP an TQ figures look like on 91 octane pump gas.

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808 hp 717 tq
http://www.hellcat.org/attachments/2018_dg_challenger-srt-demon_overview-pdf.175873/

efroeh said:

808 hp 717 tq
http://www.hellcat.org/attachments/2018_dg_challenger-srt-demon_overview-pdf.175873/

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Great posting. Thanks!

So,....I have a question to anyone that can answer it.
If this car comes with a alternative PCM calibrated for fuels of 100+ octane, does mean that the times that we are seeing and hearing about are the times using the 100+ calibrated PCM? If that's the case,......what was the octane rating that they used to get to 9.65 @140? (Because it states in the above pdf file that the car comes with a 91 octane calibrated PCM.)
Also, I "assume" swapping out the PCMs does NOT void warranty?

tones_RS3 said:

Great posting. Thanks!

So,....I have a question to anyone that can answer it.
If this car comes with a alternative PCM calibrated for fuels of 100+ octane, does mean that the times that we are seeing and hearing about are the times using the 100+ calibrated PCM? If that's the case,......what was the octane rating that they used to get to 9.65 @140? (Because it states in the above pdf file that the car comes with a 91 octane calibrated PCM.)
Also, I "assume" swapping out the PCMs does NOT void warranty?

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It doesn't void it. The 100 octane got the 9.65....91 ran 9.90.

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tones_RS3 said:

Great posting. Thanks!

So,....I have a question to anyone that can answer it.
If this car comes with a alternative PCM calibrated for fuels of 100+ octane, does mean that the times that we are seeing and hearing about are the times using the 100+ calibrated PCM? If that's the case,......what was the octane rating that they used to get to 9.65 @140? (Because it states in the above pdf file that the car comes with a 91 octane calibrated PCM.)
Also, I "assume" swapping out the PCMs does NOT void warranty?

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It can't be higher than 110 (shell urt) since it has to be unleaded to not effect the cats.

Wondered the same and recall
Seeing in a post release story that it was 100 octane (not just 100+).

A week ago I had a certain hunch the car would be able to do 9.90@135+. I was looking at the features and guesstimated it could run that.

The 9.65 made me happy for the dodge guys. I'm stoked they pulled this off. Badass stuff. Having a built in race gas switch chip is great. Take a second and realize that everything the dodge guys did here is stuff the community has done for 15 years.

Ac cooling > killer chillers
Line lock > obvious
Transbrake > obvious
Torque mngmnt > SA ecu's
Drag radials > obvious
91,100,110 > switch chip
Stripped. > obvious
Skinnies. > obvious
Nice auto. > obvious
Boost/mill. > obvious
Active sus. > obvious
Built rear. > obvious
Etc etc etc

They just pulled out all the stops and said go big or go home.

You could probably get a 840hp gt500 into a bottom 9/ top 8 with the same features if you could shave it down to 3550lbs from 3850lbs. This dodge is ~4250lbs from 4550lbs in hellcat form for comparison iirc.

I'm not taking anything away from dodge, I'm giving them credit for being active and coherent enough in the street strip scene to say look, this can all be done, let's put it all into one car and say f the world to the idea this car is one dimensional. No sh*t. It's 1d. We have no shame in that. It's excellent for their brand image. People will be talking about dodge for years. This was very smart.

Ford is bs'ing around. They've got too few people in the Ford Performance division working on too many different products. They've now let Dodge strike not once but twice in the musclecar wars.

The Demon is an awesome ride, anyone who hates on it is being a brand fanboy. I do think it's pretty funny that Dodge continually uses hero times as marketing. Runs 9.65 but only in below sea level DAs and with the skinny tires on the front and with the optional PCM on a 100-tune after 50+ passes with an in-house driver. Realistically this will be a high-9 second car which is still absolutely astounding.

Ford needs to pull their head out of their rearends and give us something noteworthy. This Dodge will be running low-160s off the showroom floor in the 1/2 mile and probably mid-180s in the standing mile. If the next GT500 doesn't have 775+ horses it'll be disappointing. What they get for sitting on their hands for 5-years...

93 347 Cobra said:

Ford needs to pull their head out of their rearends and give us something noteworthy. This Dodge will be running low-160s off the showroom floor in the 1/2 mile and probably mid-180s in the standing mile. If the next GT500 doesn't have 775+ horses it'll be disappointing. What they get for sitting on their hands for 5-years...

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What's not noteworthy about a 3.5l v6 that needs 30psi to hit 647HP?

/end ridiculous sarcasm