Upcoming timeframe on the next GT500 and speculation

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Not necessarily. Turbos have insane power potential with no parasitic power loss.

As long as they build a stout shortblock and their headgaskets can take it a 5.0 can crank out over 1000+ hp. Add a D4S direct injection system and you can really crank the boost and timing.
 

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I can see 700ish horsepower with that recipe, but not 800. You can only add so much timing/boost and still maintain the use of 91 octane. Ford factory calibrations tend to error on the conservative side too to account for bad fuel, massive changes in elevation and temperature. Unless Ford is going to release a race gas only street car, I agree, their going to need some more displacement to compete with 800+hp forced induction 6.2.
 
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Are any of the predicted engine platforms capable of 800hp on pump fuel? I have a feeling Dodge will remain on top of the throne with the HP game as rumors of a 800+hp challenger have been lurking for awhile now. I bet though Ford has done their home work with weight savings, suspension and a 10spd auto option.

Part of me likes to dream of a hypothetical phase out of the GT500 and the return of the Boss with a forced induction 4V 6.2 "Boss" variant.


When the new car comes out it needs to put the Dodge and Chevy boys in their place as my 13 GT500 did in 2012. If it does I will be adding another car to my collection regardless if its call a GT500, Boss, or Mach 1. The GT350 is a GREAT car and I am not taking anything from it, but I haven't pulled the trigger on one because of it being a little under powered for the street. When a Hellcat pulls up to me on the street right now with my 13 GT500 I know its still pretty much a Drivers race and on a Road Course its never been close.
Ford exec's .... give us another top dog for the Muscle Car world !!!
 
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A turbo mill can easily make 800hp on 91 octane.

I'm making 720whp on a 9psi break in tune with 5-10 year old tech. Honestly, I have another 50whp in this tune because it's only spinning to 6750rpm and its cammed for 8000rpm, has only 12* of timing and an 11.0 a/f... Ford could run this tune on a 200,000 mile engine. They can run higher compression as well, I'm only at 9.3/1, they could go with a hot v twin turbo design, DI and 10.5/1, and easily make 800hp on 10psi. The head and cam technology ford has today far surpasses the modular tech I'm running. They could produce 100+wtq more than I have at 3000rpm, and faster spool with a hot v design.

Look at Mercedes AMG's newest turbo v8's. Ford is totally capable of producing simila designs albeit with more displacement, better cylinder head architecture, bigger turbos, and 200+ more hp.

They got 700hp factory out of a supercharged 5.8 at 15psi, they'll have no problem getting 800hp from a 10psi tt 5.x IMO.
 

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Also, they have a few extra things going for them like the fact they already have a 600+hp 3.5L mill in the FGT so they know how to produce an efficient system that stays cool with high load. 600hp/3.5L is 171hp/L. 171x5.0L yeilds 855hp. Let's say it's a 4.8, still over 800hp.

And, it's easier to meet carbon counts with less stressed engines. A 3.5 making 600hp is more likely to be on the aggressive side of a tune than a 5.x making 800hp.

Also, the 3.5 doesn't rev too far past 7000 for whatever reason. It easily could be though.

If ford uses similar architecture to the available roadrunner coyote boss mills, 7500-8000rpm is easily doable.

Throw a decent pair of baby t4's with .70-.80 a/r's, give them adequate plumbing and piping sizes, a nice intercooler, and you'll have very low iat's for the first time ever on a factory gt500, as well as far lower dynamic temperatures, less chance of heat sink etc.

Once the intercooler starts charging the air flow, you'll actually see iat's drop.

I did some pulls the other night and my coolant and iat's actually dropped from 185/50 to 165/30*. It was a 25* night though. Regardless, the iat's literally dropped after the pulls.
 

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Several clues hidden in this.

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I saw this thread and thought I would throw something in it to get it started.

I have been running the Performance Division of Ray Skillman Ford for 11 years. I have been with Ford for 18 years.

Here is what I am seeing and hearing and guessing based on the information I have, history of what Ford has done in the past with new release specialty Mustangs and their similar patterns...

Of course I could go back a lot further, but lets start in 2009. 2009 was a SHORT model year because Ford wanted a FULL year of the new 2010 bodystyle Mustang. So 2009 model Mustangs only ran about 6 months so Ford could bring the 2010 models out early in June.
This has become more and more practice throughout the years as opposed to bringing out new models in the fall. Carryover models typically do run through the fall. The 2014 Mustangs actually came out in March or so of 2013 (way early) so they could get a full year in of that model year and leave plenty of time to transition to the new body in 2015.

Some key things here are the GT500 stopped production as of the 2014 model and were not released in 2015. The GT350 was announced in 2015 as a 2 year model intended to run 2016 and 2017 (though they did a small run of a couple hundred 2015's at the very end). Interestingly enough, Ford coded the GT350 with the same body code as the GT500 which is P8J. This kind of tells you as long as the GT350 is around, Ford would not be producing a GT500 along side it. The early speculation was the GT500 was supposed to be a 2017. In fact, the body code conflict told us early on, that would not be the case unless Ford completely recoded it which was unlikely. It will be a 2018 as this thread suggests but it should be out in the summer of 2017 (June or July) because Ford wants an early start with it.

The 2016 model year, like the 2009 model year will be short. Final orders should cease to be accepted around March to April at the latest and orders for the 17's should begin around there or soon after. Expect to see the first 2017 Mustangs around June, or July at the latest tis year. This gives the 2016's a short year, but more than the 6 months of the 2009. Then the 2017 model Mustangs should run a full year so the 2018's can be released in June or July.

Expect to see the 2018 GT500 in June or July of 2017 with a little over 700HP. My sources do NOT expect a GT350 motor to be installed in the 2018 GT500. Rather, the speculation is a turbocharged 5.0. Of course it is still early so Ford could revert back to the supercharged platform. Also, expect a slight freshening of the 2018 model Mustangs similar to what happened in 2013 over the 2010-2012 body.

Other than that, only time will tell... but feel free to throw in any information any of you may have to add.

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Welp. Good stab at it John, but looks like most of that isn't happening.

C'mon Ford.
 

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They said only a slight bump for the GT and as for the GT500, that should be plenty. They got several pulls during development that were significantly higher though, so aftermarket tuning will probably do wonders ;)
 

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In my opinion (and I'd like to be wrong), it seems any new release of a GT500 will most likely wait until 2020 when the body style refresh happens and Ford is moving towards electric power. I think it's a fair assumption that there won't be a 2018 GT500 (if there is I'd surely be surprised), which would rule out a 2019 model as Ford will not release a 1 year GT500 model run.
Again, my opinion but it seems like the writing is on the wall for a future GT500 not being available for the MY 2018 cars.
 

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In my opinion (and I'd like to be wrong), it seems any new release of a GT500 will most likely wait until 2020 when the body style refresh happens and Ford is moving towards electric power. I think it's a fair assumption that there won't be a 2018 GT500 (if there is I'd surely be surprised), which would rule out a 2019 model as Ford will not release a 1 year GT500 model run.
Again, my opinion but it seems like the writing is on the wall for a future GT500 not being available for the MY 2018 cars.

You may be right. And maybe that's why Shelby American is putting out Super Snakes based on Mustang GT's when they have always been based on GT 500's before.
SA would be pretty embarrassed if Ford came out with a GT500 now.
 

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