Heat exchanger

[65wildstang]

Parts for my winter project are about complete. I still need to pick up a heat exchanger and upgraded pump. Installing a whipple gen5 with vmp intercooler and 1" manifold. Picked up a canton reservoir for battery area. Want to stay all 1" tubing. Been doing research on the gt500 heat exchanger and the j2fab heat exchanger. Looking at the gt500 setup with fans and wiring ,then the tubular bumper and fabbing brackets, then welding the 1" inlet and outlet. Price and performance wise, wouldnt i be better with the j2fab heat exchanger? Also looking for recommendations on which aftermarket pump with the same 1" inlet and outlet? Thanks

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[MG0h3]

Parts for my winter project are about complete. I still need to pick up a heat exchanger and upgraded pump. Installing a whipple gen5 with vmp intercooler and 1" manifold. Picked up a canton reservoir for battery area. Want to stay all 1" tubing. Been doing research on the gt500 heat exchanger and the j2fab heat exchanger. Looking at the gt500 setup with fans and wiring ,then the tubular bumper and fabbing brackets, then welding the 1" inlet and outlet. Price and performance wise, wouldnt i be better with the j2fab heat exchanger? Also looking for recommendations on which aftermarket pump with the same 1" inlet and outlet? Thanks

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I replied to your FB post as well but VMP offers a GT500 HE with 1” connections already.

I thought most people found the fans only help if you’re basically stuck in traffic but hinder cooling at speed.


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[Blkkbgt]

Have you checked into department of boost for a heat exchanger?

I assume the gt500 piece you're talking about is the 13/14 unit that will require you to cut up or replace your crash bar. If you're willing to go that far department of boost may also be an option.

I am on the fence about it myself as I am also considering a smaller Mishimoto unit that shouldn't force me to do either.

 

[Albatross]

I am installing the VMP triple pass heat exchanger with fans and 1" fittings in the next few days. I already have the H/E. Waiting on the crash bar. Also going with the VMP intercooler and water manifold. I am going with the Davies Craig Ewp150 for my I/C pump. The Stewart EMP pump is supposed to be the best but it's expensive and draws a lot of amps. I got the Davies Craig pump from summit for like $186 bucks. Should be here today. I just gotta figure out how I'm going to mount it. DO NOT order anything J2 unless you want to wait a year and be treated like you don't matter. I had the worst experience with that guy. I cannot believe he is still in business. Anyway, I will let you know how it goes if you want me to update you.

 

[65wildstang]

Thanks for everyones replies. Looking into the department of boost setups and the maf front bumper. Does it matter on the inlet and outlet locations on the heat exchanger? Thanks

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[Albatross]

Does it matter on the inlet and outlet locations on the heat exchanger?

It shouldn't. You will just have to run 1" hose wherever you need which may be a pain in the ass but not impossible. One thing to note, it would definitely be an easier install with the inlet/outlet on the passenger side. The VMP is a triple pass so it has inlet/outlet on the opposite sides. Good luck my friend.

 

[Blkkbgt]

I am installing the VMP triple pass heat exchanger with fans and 1" fittings in the next few days. I already have the H/E. Waiting on the crash bar. Also going with the VMP intercooler and water manifold. I am going with the Davies Craig Ewp150 for my I/C pump. The Stewart EMP pump is supposed to be the best but it's expensive and draws a lot of amps. I got the Davies Craig pump from summit for like $186 bucks. Should be here today. I just gotta figure out how I'm going to mount it. DO NOT order anything J2 unless you want to wait a year and be treated like you don't matter. I had the worst experience with that guy. I cannot believe he is still in business. Anyway, I will let you know how it goes if you want me to update you.

I looked up the specs on that pump. Seems overkill for an intercooler pump.

 

[65wildstang]

I am installing the VMP triple pass heat exchanger with fans and 1" fittings in the next few days. I already have the H/E. Waiting on the crash bar. Also going with the VMP intercooler and water manifold. I am going with the Davies Craig Ewp150 for my I/C pump. The Stewart EMP pump is supposed to be the best but it's expensive and draws a lot of amps. I got the Davies Craig pump from summit for like $186 bucks. Should be here today. I just gotta figure out how I'm going to mount it. DO NOT order anything J2 unless you want to wait a year and be treated like you don't matter. I had the worst experience with that guy. I cannot believe he is still in business. Anyway, I will let you know how it goes if you want me to update you.

Jumped on Summit website and looking at the Davies Craig pump. I also like the idea of less amperage, but wondering the difference in gpm? May go the same route! Thanks

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[Albatross]

wondering the difference in gpm?

That, I can't tell you. I did do a good bit of research before choosing the Davies Craig pump. It's no slouch. I'm certain it will flow enough fluid for the application. It came in yesterday. You will have to order fittings for whatever hose you are planning to use. I found some that Summit had in stock. Still waiting on my MAF bumper support but I may start trying to figure out mounting solutions for the pump this weekend. One thing that Davies Craig recommends is not hard mounting the pump. Use some sort of rubber vibration isolator.

That is the fitting I am using. It's a 16 AN orb to 1" hose barb.

 

[65wildstang]

That, I can't tell you. I did do a good bit of research before choosing the Davies Craig pump. It's no slouch. I'm certain it will flow enough fluid for the application. It came in yesterday. You will have to order fittings for whatever hose you are planning to use. I found some that Summit had in stock. Still waiting on my MAF bumper support but I may start trying to figure out mounting solutions for the pump this weekend. One thing that Davies Craig recommends is not hard mounting the pump. Use some sort of rubber vibration isolator.

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That is the fitting I am using. It's a 16 AN orb to 1" hose barb.

Let me know how the pump mount goes. More than likely go with Davies Craig ewp 150 & the afco gt500 heat exchanger and weld on 1" barbs. Thanks

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[Stangra]

DO NOT order anything J2 unless you want to wait a year and be treated like you don't matter. I had the worst experience with that guy. I cannot believe he is still in business

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[65wildstang]

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Going with Department of boost or afco for sure. Ive been reading and watching on the issues with j2fab. Hopefully orders will get caught up and business straighten out. Thanks

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[stangfreak]

people who say fans on a heat exchanger hinder cooling at speed is like saying a radiator with the fan will hinder cooling at speed.

 

[biminiLX]

Depends a lot of what you do with your car.
My winter project is to finish 1” lines. Just need to install the VMP brick manifold/adapter and the HE I had modified with 1” fittings.
For those that haven’t done them, 1” is big line and -20 AN fittings expensive so definitely take time to lay it out and mock it up.
Back to HE and fans, if you have an ice tank and are a street/strip guy go fans.
If your a street roll race guy skip them.
-J

 

[Stangra]

people who say fans on a heat exchanger hinder cooling at speed is like saying a radiator with the fan will hinder cooling at speed.

THEY DO! It's just that you still get enough air at speed to do the job....
on the street. You won't find radiator fans on an Indy Car, but if it sits too long at a pit stop it'll start overheating.

Without the fan your car's Radiator would flow more air at speed than needed but will also overheat at low speeds/ idling... because the engine is still generating heat.

At idle most power adders aren't producing boost or adding much heat to inlet temps, it's engine heat soaking through, but fans could help a little. As soon as you're moving at even city traffic speed limits fans are slowing airflow.

Gotta remember that a Radiator is much more effective at cooling because the difference in coolant to ambient temps is a lot more. An intercooler Heat Exchanger is working with much less temp difference, less surface area, and less coolant flow. More sensitive to a fan obstructing air at speed.

 

[Stangra]

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Back to HE and fans, if you have an ice tank and are a street/strip guy go fans.
If your a street roll race guy skip them.

If you have ice-cold coolant in the heat exchager, why would you want to blow warm ambient air on it before it goes to the intercooler?

 

[biminiLX]

If you have ice-cold coolant in the heat exchager, why would you want to blow warm ambient air on it before it goes to the intercooler?

Maybe in a steady state condition I would agree with you but for street strip cars and cars that are set up for True Street (my application) and Drag Week, I want that fan benefit when I have to run without full ice in the tank and get stuck idling in the lanes, etc.
If it was strip only and you push to the lanes you can have full ice in the tank and just turn the ice tank/HE pump on right before firing for the burn out. But that’s not 99% on here.
I do plan to have my ice tank pump on a separate switch for the track next season, but otherwise I feel the HE fans benefit my car when I’m stuck heat soaking in the lanes or driving around stuck at lights.
Do your research and make your choice but I stick with my statements above.
-J

 

[biminiLX]

If you have ice-cold coolant in the heat exchager, why would you want to blow warm ambient air on it before it goes to the intercooler?

Also I reread this and my ice tank goes directly to the intercooler brick so the blower air sees the coolest water possible.
-J

 

[Stangra]

Also I reread this and my ice tank goes directly to the intercooler brick so the blower air sees the coolest water possible.
-J

That would make sense.
As does the use of fans for some Drag Racing applications.

I don't run fans or ice so I was thinking in terms of my H/E direct to intercooler set-up for coldest air possible. I need sustainable intecooling during repeated WOT and as near-instant heatsoak recovery as possible for 20-30 min. Road Course events.
When stopped or nearly stopped fans are great. At a surprisingly low speed (some tests show +/- 20ish mph) fans will produce about as much airflow as free air movement, at faster speeds the restriction gets worse. Exponentially. Most are going faster in light city or freeway traffic, roll racing, canyon carving, road course, etc.

There is a widespread misconception that fans are better for all.

 

[Federico Garza]

Depends a lot of what you do with your car.
My winter project is to finish 1” lines. Just need to install the VMP brick manifold/adapter and the HE I had modified with 1” fittings.
For those that haven’t done them, 1” is big line and -20 AN fittings expensive so definitely take time to lay it out and mock it up.
Back to HE and fans, if you have an ice tank and are a street/strip guy go fans.
If your a street roll race guy skip them.
-J

Very interested in hearing your results, I see no love for the vmp brick, and it seems that J2 fab route thais is proven performer but comes with a very long lead time :-(