There's no firm timeline, but Ford is 'working toward' selling only EVs in the U.S.

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I've been considering getting solar with a powerwall, not because I want to go green but so I have power when the blackouts start and can call out all fairies on here crying because they can't charge their Cuck-e's ***-150 ligntnings



Pfft, I collect styrofoam and burn it to create my own hole in the ozone.



True, I took a 6 month class on green building learning about GBI and LEED and it's been worthless.
Lmao, I was the LEED instructor for the whole company. Basically just figured out the cheapest and easiest way to get that damn plaque. Mostly a money making scam imo.
 

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I've been considering getting solar with a powerwall, not because I want to go green but so I have power when the blackouts start and can call out all fairies on here crying because they can't charge their Cuck-e's ***-150 ligntnings

This is the biggest reason to get solar/powerwalls at this point is to avoid dealing with blackouts, which sadly are going to become norm as society fails to produce more power more economically to meet the demand. When all your neighbors lights are out you'll be rockin.
 

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It appeases the millennial generation and the young generation being taught in school how bad fossil fuels are and how good EV is. Won’t ever mention the consequences nor negativities that might stem from it. When it does appears, it’s the bad people fault for being so.

Get ready to be tax by your mileage driven.

Spot on. EV’s fit in perfectly with the lower T generation of “men”.


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I hope Ford does it and puts themselves out of business. Dodge has been blowing everyone out of the water anyway because they have big horsepower balls.
 

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Millions and millions of new electric motors, all the wire to double the grid to support EV's...

Lets put aluminum wiring back in houses!

Freeport CEO sees copper scarcity outweighing Chinese threats
  • The copper market is supported by few new discoveries at a time of rising demand that will only increase with decarbonization efforts, Freeport McMoRan (NYSE:FCX) CEO Richard Adkerson tells Bloomberg.
  • "There's no shale oil for copper," Adkerson says. "Unlike the oil industry, where you have an ongoing flow of discoveries and now with a new element of shale coming in, copper mines of size are very rare to find."
  • Government and market actions can affect prices in the short term, but copper is a very long-term business and is "extraordinarily strong," the CEO says.
  • At the same time, copper faces a supply scarcity that will require both substitution and increased recycling, Adkerson says, adding that even if prices were to double tomorrow, Freeport would be unable to bring on new supply within five years.
  • Comex July copper (HG1:COM) settled +3% today at $4.677/lb. ($10,310/ton), ~2.5% off record highs.
  • Copper had been drifting lower on Chinese threats to restrain commodity prices, but their effect has faded in favor of strong supply and demand fundamentals, Saxo Bank's Ole Hansen says.
  • Goldman Sachs has predicted copper prices would hit $15K/ton by 2025.
 

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Millions and millions of new electric motors, all the wire to double the grid to support EV's...

Lets put aluminum wiring back in houses!

Freeport CEO sees copper scarcity outweighing Chinese threats
  • The copper market is supported by few new discoveries at a time of rising demand that will only increase with decarbonization efforts, Freeport McMoRan (NYSE:FCX) CEO Richard Adkerson tells Bloomberg.
  • "There's no shale oil for copper," Adkerson says. "Unlike the oil industry, where you have an ongoing flow of discoveries and now with a new element of shale coming in, copper mines of size are very rare to find."
  • Government and market actions can affect prices in the short term, but copper is a very long-term business and is "extraordinarily strong," the CEO says.
  • At the same time, copper faces a supply scarcity that will require both substitution and increased recycling, Adkerson says, adding that even if prices were to double tomorrow, Freeport would be unable to bring on new supply within five years.
  • Comex July copper (HG1:COM) settled +3% today at $4.677/lb. ($10,310/ton), ~2.5% off record highs.
  • Copper had been drifting lower on Chinese threats to restrain commodity prices, but their effect has faded in favor of strong supply and demand fundamentals, Saxo Bank's Ole Hansen says.
  • Goldman Sachs has predicted copper prices would hit $15K/ton by 2025.
Our Furnace / AC was upgraded 2 years ago and the bastards used aluminum wire for the condenser unit. By the time I realized this it was too late. I should have told them copper only but did not think they were going to cut corners like that. Everything in our panel is copper except for the AC unit. Oh well it works ok and they did a clean install but I just wish I caught them earlier and would have told them to stop and go get copper wires.
 

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Wonder when International and John Deere will make an electric combine that can run for days on end without a charge.

EV is a joke for people who live in the Midwest. I'll keep my V10 F350.
 

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True, I took a 6 month class on green building learning about GBI and LEED and it's been worthless.

I get a kick out of listening to developers when they realize the cost of construction is so much higher to make LEED Gold status.

I don't get too much into it due to it's mostly building specs and I deal with drainage design but it's a joke.
 

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Definitely fair points.

At first I thought it would be through emissions/safety, but they would have to standardize Emission/safety testing nationwide first. But I can see a number of states refusing to do so. SC willingly gave up fed tax dollars to avoid the hassle after the 90s failed attempt.

It's a different world now, but I bet incentives will be ridiculous on EV at some point. That 7500 credit is solid as-is, but if the Fed's told me to trade in a shitbox that they'd over pay for, then drop another 5-10 in incentives on a new Tesla, it would be hard to not buy. Especially if it costs me 20k for a new car.

No one wants to give up that sweet federal tax money. Not even for keeping the smoking age at 18. As much as the government likes throwing around money, I think they've shown they're going to use the stick rather than the carrot. States and cities have already jumped on the "no new ICE sales" beyond a certain point, and the EPA is already pushing greenhouse gas emissions regulations that would make ICE impossible. They've tried the incentives and it hasn't had a profound impact. I think the incentives may happen a la cash for clunkers, but it's going to be a second phase of things, once they realize that people are still keeping their old ICE cars on the road. When the EPA goes "why are all these poor people still driving ICE cars? We need to stop that..."
 

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I get a kick out of listening to developers when they realize the cost of construction is so much higher to make LEED Gold status.

I don't get too much into it due to it's mostly building specs and I deal with drainage design but it's a joke.

Yup. When I worked in architectural wall paneling and then interior cabinetry/casework the LEED/FSC/NAUF shit would triple the costs. On top of that, FSC did audits and any project with their stuff required dumb things like, had to use green colored folders, any file system had to be independent of other files (so separate file cabinets), required separate assembly line and carts, all of which added now extra labor/overhead.

So glad im in deep foundations/earthwork and our industry couldnt give a **** less about any of that shit.
 

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The new Lighting F-150 may just get $5,000.00 cheaper to buy.

The U.S. Senate Finance Committee advanced legislation on Wednesday that would boost electric vehicle tax credits to as much as $12,500 for EVs that are assembled by union workers in the United States.

The bill would limit tax credits to vehicles with a retail price below $80,000 to qualify for the tax credits. The current maximum tax credit is $7,500 with no maximum price and currently phases out for individual automakers once they hit 200,000 total EVs sold.


www.reuters.com/...
 

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The new Lighting F-150 may just get $5,000.00 cheaper to buy.

The U.S. Senate Finance Committee advanced legislation on Wednesday that would boost electric vehicle tax credits to as much as $12,500 for EVs that are assembled by union workers in the United States.

The bill would limit tax credits to vehicles with a retail price below $80,000 to qualify for the tax credits. The current maximum tax credit is $7,500 with no maximum price and currently phases out for individual automakers once they hit 200,000 total EVs sold.


www.reuters.com/...

So basically I'm on the hook paying more taxes so betas can virtue signal.
 

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The new Lighting F-150 may just get $5,000.00 cheaper to buy.

The U.S. Senate Finance Committee advanced legislation on Wednesday that would boost electric vehicle tax credits to as much as $12,500 for EVs that are assembled by union workers in the United States.

The bill would limit tax credits to vehicles with a retail price below $80,000 to qualify for the tax credits. The current maximum tax credit is $7,500 with no maximum price and currently phases out for individual automakers once they hit 200,000 total EVs sold.


www.reuters.com/...

Calling it now cash for clunkers program 2.0 coming next.


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