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Technology is going to have to evolve quickly to tackle this issue and more before the country commits to go solid Green. This wind turbine freeze issue with Arctic temps killing a majority of their electric grid is just one that illustrates that all is not golden with alternative energy sources.

We should not blindly oppose progress, but we do need to be opposed to blind progress.

Progressives and the current White House administration are pushing blindly forward with a Progressive agenda. That is dangerous for our country. And just one example of blind leadership. JMO.
 
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What people don't realize is that it's more efficient to make the energy where you use the energy.

Half the electricity made is lost in transit to the homes and then again lost transferring from home to car battery.

You are just moving the "pollution" up the supply chain.

Also, almost everything we use is made from petroleum, so oil drilling will remain a thing.

More interesting will be, what do we do with the excess gasoline and diesel when processing petroleum into usable products?

100 years ago diesel was a byproduct of gas and kerosene production. Diesel would just be dumped or burned off.
 

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What people don't realize is that it's more efficient to make the energy where you use the energy.

Half the electricity made is lost in transit to the homes and then again lost transferring from home to car battery.

You are just moving the "pollution" up the supply chain.

Also, almost everything we use is made from petroleum, so oil drilling will remain a thing.

More interesting will be, what do we do with the excess gasoline and diesel when processing petroleum into usable products?

100 years ago diesel was a byproduct of gas and kerosene production. Diesel would just be dumped or burned off.

I don't disagree that distributed generation (close to the source of use) is a good path forward for the future, but....

There is not a 50% loss of electricity due to transmission and distribution...not even close. It is more like 5% lost to transmission and distribution.
 

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Texas just needs to update nuclear reactors.
Problem solved.

These articles are cherry picked.. it's 1 specific wholesale energy supplier that cuts out capacity and storage infrastructure to pass in the savings to the customer.

It's like oil going negative last year.
 

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PHEVs are the way to go and this proves why.

OPTIONS

I can charge mine for 44miles full EV or just drive as a 40mpg suv with 300hp and 14.5 gallon tank and never charge it.
 

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Unless you have barrels of gas, pumps at the gas station need electricity to be able to pump the gas out of the underground tank.
The ideal setup is to have solar panels to draw power from the sun, use that to charge your car. Gas requires supply lines to constantly replenish (talking about gas stations).


Dont worry, the propagandists for the liberals will somehow blame this on Trump. Expect impeachment 3.0 because of this.
I hope they realized by now they are just wasting their time.
 

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I don't disagree that distributed generation (close to the source of use) is a good path forward for the future, but....

There is not a 50% loss of electricity due to transmission and distribution...not even close. It is more like 5% lost to transmission and distribution.
50% conversion.

You spend energy digging, compiling and shipping coal.

You spend energy converting coal into energy.

You spend energy moving electricity to house.

You spend energy moving house electricity to charger to charge a battery.

You spend energy building battery

You spend energy moving electric from battery to motor.

Motor spends energy to move tires and propel vehicle.
 

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Unless you have barrels of gas, pumps at the gas station need electricity to be able to pump the gas out of the underground tank.
The ideal setup is to have solar panels to draw power from the sun, use that to charge your car. Gas requires supply lines to constantly replenish (talking about gas stations).



I hope they realized by now they are just wasting their time.
Many stations have back up generators to power the pumps.

Your solar panels aren't going to do shit in overcast snowy conditions and you'll be up on your roof dusting them off.
 

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Many stations have back up generators to power the pumps.

Your solar panels aren't going to do shit in overcast snowy conditions and you'll be up on your roof dusting them off.

Idk, my neighbor seems to be doing well with his solar panels, says has so much power he offered to charge my car at no cost, daily. Lots of cloudy days too.
 

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Many stations have back up generators to power the pumps.

Your solar panels aren't going to do shit in overcast snowy conditions and you'll be up on your roof dusting them off.
Do research on solar panels, my friend has solar panels and hasnt had to clean them in 3 years. They also dont have to pay electricity in some months. I also wouldnt live in a snowy place. This forum loves to shit on cali, but they live in a frozen thundra... okay. lol
 

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50% conversion.

You spend energy digging, compiling and shipping coal.

You spend energy converting coal into energy.

You spend energy moving electricity to house.

You spend energy moving house electricity to charger to charge a battery.

You spend energy building battery

You spend energy moving electric from battery to motor.

Motor spends energy to move tires and propel vehicle.

This is an entirely different argument, and would bet your 50% estimate is generous. I'd guess it's more in the 30% efficient (70% lost) or LESS range.
 

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