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I’m union at work. Not a particularly big fan of it, but I recognize if the company wasn’t unionized that I would probably make half what I make now and would have zero job protection.

There are a few chodes that have been fired and brought back because of the union. For the most part though the union only has so much pull. If the company wants to violate the contract they’ll do it and just file the grievances into a backlog of clustershit.
 

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The construction industry is booming right now in jersey. If you have the skill and knowledge you can kill it, union or non.
 

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People who need unions - those with no marketable skills outside what the union does - love unions. Everyone else recognizes they do nothing but hold people back, and reward mediocrity.
One again. May be area dependent. There is literally no difference from being a union carpenter and being a non union carpenter for example. Only difference is union guy makes more money. Advancement opportunities are the same and if you don't work you fired/laid off.
 

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I am an RN and left bedside (psych) nursing 15 years ago. Since then I have worked in healthcare IT, utilizing my nursing knowledge and make almost 3x what I did at the bedside. I applied for the public service student loan forgiveness program last year (Wife saw an article about it online somewhere). You have to work for a non-profit to qualify (there is a list of professions that qualify). Long of the short is I give EDFinancial copies of mine and my wife's W2's each year and they decide how much I have to pay monthly for that year, based on our income. After 10 years with no late/missed payments on this progarm, the remaining balance (interest) on my student loans are forgiven. In the end I will still be paying more than 2x what I borrowed initially (graduated in 2001), but MAYBE one day my student loans will be paid off. Just made my wife's last loan payment (250/mo), and we're paying around 700/mo now for my loans.

I know a pharmacist who works for the VA with $300k of student loan debt that she acquired over her educational career. Not sure I completely agree with this forgiveness stuff. Great for someone who is in those shoes.
 
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I know a pharmacist who works for the VA with $300k of student loan debt that she acquired over her educational career. Not sure I completely agree with this forgiveness stuff. Great for someone who is in those shoes.
I am not fond of debt forgiveness either because not everyone receives that benefit and you are the one you agreed to pay it back. With that kind of education I’m sure those folks are making way more than those who have to pay it back.
 

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Unions... I had a fairly small project a few years back (~$400k-ish) which required a 2-3 day installation. Due to union requirements, our guys weren't allowed to do certain tasks, so when time came for said task to be completed, they had to find some lazy slug sitting on a park bench to come over, turn ONE screw, then go back to sitting on a park bench. Yes, park bench, in the facility. The guy sat there for 7 out of 8 hours, just playing on his phone. *edit* Dang I forgot the best part. Because of the union requirements, it dragged out install 3 days and since it was T&M billable, we had to send the cost to the customer who was furious about it. Well, that what happens when you delay things for stupid reasons.

The amount of stupid, lazy, backwards, inefficient BS I've seen makes me want to give up on society, entirely.

^The reason a F250 cost 82K
The dude on a golf cart running nuts and bolts to the assembly line make $45 a damn hour.

It’s crazy how different people see unions. Guess it’s area dependent. People around here that are in them can’t say enough good things about them. My brother rants and raves how good his benefits are and $48.74 and hour isn’t bad either plus endless double time..
What's he do?

People who need unions - those with no marketable skills outside what the union does - love unions. Everyone else recognizes they do nothing but hold people back, and reward mediocrity.
This, Protecting the dead heads.

I’m union at work. Not a particularly big fan of it, but I recognize if the company wasn’t unionized that I would probably make half what I make now and would have zero job protection.

There are a few chodes that have been fired and brought back because of the union. For the most part though the union only has so much pull. If the company wants to violate the contract they’ll do it and just file the grievances into a backlog of clustershit.
Non union here makes more. Probably to keep from going union.

One again. May be area dependent. There is literally no difference from being a union carpenter and being a non union carpenter for example. Only difference is union guy makes more money. Advancement opportunities are the same and if you don't work you fired/laid off.

Here they make the same or most unions are a little less. Advancement goes to those who deserve (Or know someone) but the union once again protects the deadheads who don't do shit. As somoe who worked his ass off I hated the deadheads.
 

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One again. May be area dependent. There is literally no difference from being a union carpenter and being a non union carpenter for example. Only difference is union guy makes more money. Advancement opportunities are the same and if you don't work you fired/laid off.

No, it's not area dependent. Promoting based on seniority, NOT skill or knowledge, is a fundamental tenet of unions no matter where you go, or what industry. If you try to tell me promotional opportunities are the same, or try to tell me union people get laid off just the same as non-union, I'm calling 100% BS. If those things were true, there would be no benefit to the union at all except pay. And if THAT were actually true, union crews wouldn't get any work because they'd be more expensive for the same work.
 

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^The reason a F250 cost 82K
The dude on a golf cart running nuts and bolts to the assembly line make $45 a damn hour.


What's he do?



Here they make the same or most unions are a little less. Advancement goes to those who deserve (Or know someone) but the union once again protects the deadheads who don't do shit. As somoe who worked his ass off I hated the deadheads.
Hes a carpenter in Boston
 

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No, it's not area dependent. Promoting based on seniority, NOT skill or knowledge, is a fundamental tenet of unions no matter where you go, or what industry. If you try to tell me promotional opportunities are the same, or try to tell me union people get laid off just the same as non-union, I'm calling 100% BS. If those things were true, there would be no benefit to the union at all except pay. And if THAT were actually true, union crews wouldn't get any work because they'd be more expensive for the same work.
Promotions are given on a several factors. Biggest factor is credentials and certifications. My brothers company is currently looking for a supervisor. No one has the needed credentials for it so he is taking classes to get what he needs so he can get the job. That applies to any company, union or non union. Some unions may protect deadheads but most do not. I know many laid off union guys, they were laid off because they are lazy. You don't work or put in any effort then you're gone. Pay is the biggest reason join unions. Why would I want to work for $28 an hour when I can get $48 an hour and a pension doing the same exact job? no brainer to me.
 

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Non union here makes more. Probably to keep from going union.

I’d venture to guess that is rare. But maybe not.

My field is almost entirely unionized, and has been for quite some time. Generally only smaller rail carriers are non-union.

And those guys make less and get their butts ridden hard.
 

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If it brings more exposure and prospective talent to the hiring pool of trade based jobs in all for it.
 

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We need less worthless paper degrees and more "Ditch Diggers". I work at Bosch where they have a trade program of 2 years. You get paid and they train you. They will send you to college for certain portions needed such as math. I'm retired Navy so I'm already an old man but there are literately teens here making $30.00 an hour. Many are here for their entire work life. With high schools pushing College and have been for decades there is definitely a need for skilled labor.
 

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Promotions are given on a several factors. Biggest factor is credentials and certifications. My brothers company is currently looking for a supervisor. No one has the needed credentials for it so he is taking classes to get what he needs so he can get the job. That applies to any company, union or non union. Some unions may protect deadheads but most do not. I know many laid off union guys, they were laid off because they are lazy. You don't work or put in any effort then you're gone. Pay is the biggest reason join unions. Why would I want to work for $28 an hour when I can get $48 an hour and a pension doing the same exact job? no brainer to me.

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Promotions are given on a several factors. Biggest factor is credentials and certifications. My brothers company is currently looking for a supervisor. No one has the needed credentials for it so he is taking classes to get what he needs so he can get the job. That applies to any company, union or non union. Some unions may protect deadheads but most do not. I know many laid off union guys, they were laid off because they are lazy. You don't work or put in any effort then you're gone. Pay is the biggest reason join unions. Why would I want to work for $28 an hour when I can get $48 an hour and a pension doing the same exact job? no brainer to me.
I'll tell you why....because I'd be sell my country out if I joined a union. I am so anti-union it isn't even funny. They belong in the history books where they were REALLY needed. I dealt with the union pushing their way into Boeing here in Charleston for years. Nobody should have a right to tell a company how to conduct business. If YOU owned a company would YOU want your employees to be in a union? Wanna know why so many jobs are leaving America...UNIONS.
 
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I'll tell you why....because I'd be sell my country out if I joined a union. I am so anti-union it isn't even funny. They belong in the history books where they were REALLY needed. I dealt with the union pushing their way into Boeing here in Charleston for years. Nobody should have a right to tell a company how to conduct business. If YOU owned a company would YOU want your employees to be in a union? Wanna know why so many job are leaving America...UNIONS.
If a company provided good pay and benefits then maybe unions wouldn't have to tell companies what to do.
 

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If you don't like said company's benefits and pay go somewhere else. That's how that works.
you would have to leave MA to find that. Easy for me, but not for families.

and exactly. A lot of people go somewhere else. Union.
 

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