2020 -vs 2014 GT500

CD07GT500

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I have a stock computer from 2003 piggybacked by an sct and a lap top. Let that sink in. 1208whp with a factory 2003 cobra computer at 4500ft alt is somekind of record. 96% fuel trim. It’s a dyno number. On 20psi, it made 1070whp with 98.5% fuel trim, and timing pulled to 14°.

I have 100whp waiting with a stand alone. I’m also on 62’s. I can put 67mm wheels in my comp ct4 turbos and make 1500whp. Probably 1750whp.

My na mill with 9.3/1 makes ~450whp. I could go full racecar, jump up to 11/1, run alcohol, stage 4 port my heads, get an R cam, throw in 72’s at 30psi and make 2000whp. I could do a pair of 76’s and shoot for 2300whp. If splitting a block is the goal, let’s see which block crack first, a 5.8 or a 4.6 teksid at 40psi.

Show me what a 5.8 makes na with 9.3/1.

Also, was your car the one that made 1200whp on 25psi with a 200 shot?
No kit. Just making your TT power with a small PD blower.
 

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Very interesting discussion, 5.8 vs 5.2, as both are the top dogs of the Modular and Coyote platforms.
Not really technical here, but yes, you can consider the Coyote as an extension of the Modular platform.
The head and valvetrain was packaged much more efficiently. The heads flow better stock and the stock cams can be pretty aggressive due to VCT.
So, for stock engines and response to basic mods or even boost from the stock parts, Coyote hands down.
When you talk full effort race applications, the winner is not cut and dry. See John Milvovetz.
The max effort heads are very similar in flow with the GT/GT500 heads at max port flowing great and with large volume runners, great for boost.
VCT not a factor in race application.
Block strength to Modular at this time.
So, not a simple debate.
But yes, I expect the new Predator 5.2 to have more potential than the Trinity 5.8
-J

Everything I can find. Numerous different sites and sources.
Coyote stock-289cfm 201cfm(ex)
GT(2006 5.4)stock - 294/237

Even in stock form heads(GT only)appear a wash. I’m sure(ish) anything else the Coyote has edge.





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@Tob, do you have any insights or corrections you care to drop on this guys view?

I’m sure in some bizzare twist, my real world experience could be wrong since I mean, pigs gt now a days judging by news headlines, but I’m pretty sure a coyote head is still a coyote head and a modular head is still a modular head.

Didn’t Ford build the coyote off the known issues of the modular and carry on engineering better and bolder stuff? (My snarkiness is directed at the all knowing @CD07GT500, not you @Tob )

They are all full of compromise so I honestly don't see the point. Do what you can with what you've got - that's how I see it.
 

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Very interesting discussion, 5.8 vs 5.2, as both are the top dogs of the Modular and Coyote platforms.
Not really technical here, but yes, you can consider the Coyote as an extension of the Modular platform.
The head and valvetrain was packaged much more efficiently. The heads flow better stock and the stock cams can be pretty aggressive due to VCT.
So, for stock engines and response to basic mods or even boost from the stock parts, Coyote hands down.
When you talk full effort race applications, the winner is not cut and dry. See John Milvovetz.
The max effort heads are very similar in flow with the GT/GT500 heads at max port flowing great and with large volume runners, great for boost.
VCT not a factor in race application.
Block strength to Modular at this time.
So, not a simple debate.
But yes, I expect the new Predator 5.2 to have more potential than the Trinity 5.8
-J

Basically what I’ve been saying for a few pages.

Amazing, really, how dense some people are.


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No kit. Just making your TT power with a small PD blower.

Can you put a link to a build thread and some dynocharts

People have made 1200whp with a tvs trinity and 200 shot. I haven’t seen 1200whp short of 3L+ pd blowers and the like on 5.4’s and 5.8’s.

Regarding my tt power, it sounds like you have a max effort tvs build. I have 10psi wastegate springs, stock computer, and 62mm wheels and put 1200whp down. It usually takes 67’s+. I can change gates and turbo wheels and pick up 200whp on 30psi. I don’t see the point because even 20psi spins at 80mph and my car spends 99% if it’s life on 10-11psi making 800whp from 6000-8000rpm.
 
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They are all full of compromise so I honestly don't see the point. Do what you can with what you've got - that's how I see it.

That’s a very fair statement. I think for max effort, a built 4.6 teksid with max ported gt heads is going to run door to door with a coyote build and last longer between tear downs but cost a lot more.

I think the coyote stuff makes more sense on the street and is much cheaper since the stock stuff works so much better with less boost, and porting is equally priced so you aren’t out thousands to get the holy grail parts then thousands more to rework them.

Considering an f150 5.0 and trans is $2500 on eBay or $3500 with the 10a, it doesn’t make financial sense to build mod mills for projects unless you already have one or really like the process and enjoy the fun/have the funds.

I think this new 5.2 rotating assembly will be a very stout unit.
 
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Can you put a link to a build thread and some dynocharts

People have made 1200whp with a tvs trinity and 200 shot. I haven’t seen 1200whp short of 3L+ pd blowers and the like on 5.4’s and 5.8’s.
Pull your head out of Sean Hylands modulars for dummies books and open your eyes. It won’t be long before the 2650 TVS makes 1300 blower only.
 

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Pull your head out of Sean Hylands modulars for dummies books and open your eyes. It won’t be long before the 2650 TVS makes 1300 blower only.

I haven’t read that in 15 years.

Link to a build thread, I wanna see what you put together and how the power band looks.

I tell people to put a tvs on their 03 cobra’s and maybe do a head port with a stage 2 blower cam so yer not gonna put me off by propping the tvs on a pedistool

The 5.8 is a weak foundation to shoot for 1200whp with is my point
 

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I haven’t read that in 15 years.

Link to a build thread, I wanna see what you put together and how the power band looks.

I tell people to put a tvs on their 03 cobra’s and maybe do a head port with a stage 2 blower cam so yer not gonna put me off by propping the tvs on a pedistool

The 5.8 is a weak foundation to shoot for 1200whp with is my point
I see no reason to pop a link in here you are highly delusional bud.
 

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I see no reason to pop a link in here you are highly delusional bud.

That's a pretty weak response. He's being entirely reasonable in asking.

If you won't back up your claim that's one thing. If you can't back it up it's another. Based on your reply, it's hard to tell which is the case.

Why are so many of the 2020 threads just going to shit lately?

I think part of it has been the lengthy wait. Hopefully the arguments are practical and more productive once the car actually exists in hands outside of Ford.
 

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Every time i read one of your posts, it reminds me of when my 11 year old first learned to read and write.



Great question. Too much inbreeding going on in MS.
Every time I read your post it screams I am a coyotard. Still waiting for that 350/300 coyote.
 

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I see no reason to pop a link in here you are highly delusional bud.

really?

Thats how we know your full of shit. "ill take the time to write, respond and defend my absurd position, but i certainly wont take the time to post a link to validate it"

PS, dont respond w/o said validation / accomplishments or you reinforce what I just said
 

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That's a pretty weak response. He's being entirely reasonable in asking.

If you won't back up your claim that's one thing. If you can't back it up it's another. Based on your reply, it's hard to tell which is the case.



I think part of it has been the lengthy wait. Hopefully the arguments are practical and more productive once the car actually exists in hands outside of Ford.
He talks out oh his ass so much it’s entertainment.
 

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