Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

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Makes me wonder if when Ford did the FPC voodoo they picked a firing order (more than one is possible) that would permit the headers to also work with a CPC (which can also have more than one firing order). If so, that's simply brilliant planning!

I guess possible, but I'm wondering if they share the design because it fits and thus power left on the table in at least one configuration...
 

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I guess possible, but I'm wondering if they share the design because it fits and thus power left on the table in at least one configuration...

I think long tubes will always perform better than factory headers but Ford would not just carry these over from the GT350 if the firing order was not fully compatible as the engine would not run right because it would be difficult (maybe impossible) to get the O2 wide-bands to read accurately if cylinder pulses were not correctly coordinated at the collector.
 

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I think long tubes will always perform better than factory headers but Ford would not just carry these over from the GT350 if the firing order was not fully compatible as the engine would not run right because it would be difficult (maybe impossible) to get the O2 wide-bands to read accurately if cylinder pulses were not correctly coordinated at the collector.

The O2 sensor couldn’t care less, it only cares about mixture on that bank, not even by cylinder. I suppose all of the vehicle that had zoomies installed, or a turbo mounted to an exhaust manifold log are running on magic.
 

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The O2 sensor couldn’t care less, it only cares about mixture on that bank, not even by cylinder. I suppose all of the vehicle that had zoomies installed, or a turbo mounted to an exhaust manifold log are running on magic.
Well, the sensors don't care but the engine management logic does. Sure, you can turn off a lot of stuff in the tune to get around all that but there's no way Ford releases engines like that. If you can get hold of any of the recent Motorcraft Principles of Operations manuals for any of the modern Ford engines the ECM actually knows a lot about history ...on some engines it can infer which cylinder experiences a misfire even tho OBD-II may not care.
 

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Well, the sensors don't care but the engine management logic does. Sure, you can turn off a lot of stuff in the tune to get around all that but there's no way Ford releases engines like that. If you can get hold of any of the recent Motorcraft Principles of Operations manuals for any of the modern Ford engines the ECM actually knows a lot about history ...on some engines it can infer which cylinder experiences a misfire even tho OBD-II may not care.

It can absolutely detect misfire. Hell, my 02 Lightning can do that. Has nothing to do with the O2 sensor or the header configuration though.
 

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The O2 sensor couldn’t care less, it only cares about mixture on that bank, not even by cylinder. I suppose all of the vehicle that had zoomies installed, or a turbo mounted to an exhaust manifold log are running on magic.

I could be wrong but I thought in the newer wideband equipped Mustangs the computer can read individual cylinders on the 02. It in essence knows this by knowing when the cylinder fired and will know when that exhaust is passing over it.
 

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I could be wrong but I thought in the newer wideband equipped Mustangs the computer can read individual cylinders on the 02. It in essence knows this by knowing when the cylinder fired and will know when that exhaust is passing over it.
Yup. That is correct. That's why the header configuration matters since you can only do that with headers that correctly 'time' the pulse spacing at the collector, which also aids in exhaust gas extraction -- more important for NA motors but also beneficial with SC.
 

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I’m sure the next GT500 will still have some rowdy. Or definitely after upping the boost and turning the nannies off :)
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My '09 with the FRPP/Whipple 2.9 kit was an absolute brute and it was certified at 725hp. With the DCT and likely at least as much power the 2020 should do just fine in my book.:)

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I loved your 09. When i had my 07 i referred back to your build thread for ideas regularly.
 

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I love the look of the non-track car.

Now I'm waiting for a manual transmission and praying for a fully forged motor. Not sinter forged toothpick rods.

If those things happen, the GT500 will be my next car.
 

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Ford's new Driver Control Technology (yeah, they stepped on "DCT" -lol) for powertrain, DCT, next-gen Magnaride, new EPAS steering, 4s vs cup-2 tires, etc) are uniquely integrated/programmed for each of the three tiers (base [no cunards or whatever those thingies behind front wheels are called -lol], 'handling' [my term, I forgot theirs] and CF Track Pack) individual drive modes (five in total?). Base spoiler on base car; base + Gurney flap on 'handling' (aftermarket opportunity for base car?); and GT4 on CF Track Pack which actually IS slightly modified (at its sides, I believe). Interesting overall development pattern: iterative process starting with supercomputer modelling, parts prototyping, monthly test sessions at Ford's Charlotte Racing center (aero and, I'm assuming, shaker rig), then on-track testing and repeat. Some clever first-time application of production 3D printing (to lighten some parts like the handbrake support bracket) vs doing production retool for such -- permitted focusing more of the overall development budget on performance. Block similar to GT350 but strengthened -- also head-bolts go deeper into modified block to permit over 1,600 psi cylinder pressures. Mentioned forged rods but didn't distinguish sinter-forged vs H/I beams. Heads/valves are modified (no specifics). No major revelations but lots of good tidbits/insights.
 

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So you'll be able to steal the CF Track Package wing in a minute or two with a simple Allen key. Ford doesn't look to be employing any kind of security hardware at all. Even worse, those pretty CF wheels seem to have been given little attention from Ford as well. RFID chip embedded in the CF wheels or not, the wheel locks Ford provides don't add much in terms of security relative to the high cost of these wheels from Carbon Revolution. So I spot a patent from Ford on a different type of lug nut...

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Yet something tells me Ford won't be going out of their way to provide much in terms of theft protection for the 2020 GT500 CF TP wheels.

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