what to BUY?!?! 11' GT500 or 16' GT PP

[V8Flexin]

Based on all you said I think the GT is the best option for handling manners. And I'm sure the trans out of the gt350 should be a easy but expensive swap but also well worth it. You'll still have to drop a lot of dough in the suspension but it's the better platform to start with if handling is the goal. With all that weight over the front axle and the solid axle out back, it would be a tall order to get good balance out the gt500 with out spending for the gr40 suspension from griggs.

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[Steve@TF]

get the gt500. even with a basic pulley swap and tune you will destroy most vehicles on the autobahn. let alone if you go beyond that (tvs/whipple/kenne bell).
and the Ring is a very long, fast track. nothing the gt500 cant tackle with ease. i took a Ring Taxi in a porsche panamera. the driver drove the hell out of that car and it was mostly stock. i cant imagine a panamera is lighter than a gt500 lol. just get better pads and run ATE super blue (available in DE). id also get the twin fan heat exchanger from revan racing as you'll be running the car at high speed quite a bit. it will help tremendously.

you dont need a ton of mods to make the shelby handle great. some good springs, shocks and a watts link and the car will handle great. the 16 may handle a little better but its not like its a vette.

plus, being in Germany, the car will be uber popular. mustangs as it is are loved but a GT500?? much moreso and it will retain far better resale value, especially over there. they sell the new cars there so a regular GT wont be nearly as special.

NAangel is a member here. she lives out there. her boyfriend owns a shop that specializes in American muscle if you need any wrenching done or anything.

what many dont know is that Germany's roads are as smooth as butter which means the SRA in the GT500 will do just fine. the IRS helps with bumpy roads but on a smooth surface, like a race track, the SRA works just fine.

 

[Steve@TF]

Based on all you said I think the GT is the best option for handling manners. And I'm sure the trans out of the gt350 should be a easy but expensive swap but also well worth it. You'll still have to drop a lot of dough in the suspension but it's the better platform to start with if handling is the goal. With all that weight over the front axle and the solid axle out back, it would be a tall order to get good balance out the gt500 with out spending for the gr40 suspension from griggs.

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you dont need Griggs to make the car handle well. that's like saying you need a KB Mammoth to make the car fast. sure, it will handle better, but you dont have to go full retard (griggs/$$) to make it handle. unless youre trying to build a "race car". and he's looking at an 11 which has less weight on the nose than 07-10. ive taken my pig of an 07 on the track many times and ive never had any brake fade (ever), only had head soak once, on one lap, and it handles great. and i drive it pretty hard. does it compare to a z06? no, but its not like taking a truck out there lol.

 

[boduke0220]

i was in a similiar delima but it was 13/14 Shelby vs a new GT. i ended up getting a comp orange 16 GT and putting a vmp tvs, billet oil pump gears and kooks exhaust on it. i love it! IF the shelby had a nicer interior i probably would have picked it, but the s550 interior is light years ahead of the s197, IMO. i dont think you can go wrong with either, the shelby will be more rare if that means anything to you.

 

[ZYBORG]

get the gt500. even with a basic pulley swap and tune you will destroy most vehicles on the autobahn. let alone if you go beyond that (tvs/whipple/kenne bell).
and the Ring is a very long, fast track. nothing the gt500 cant tackle with ease. i took a Ring Taxi in a porsche panamera. the driver drove the hell out of that car and it was mostly stock. i cant imagine a panamera is lighter than a gt500 lol. just get better pads and run ATE super blue (available in DE). id also get the twin fan heat exchanger from revan racing as you'll be running the car at high speed quite a bit. it will help tremendously.

you dont need a ton of mods to make the shelby handle great. some good springs, shocks and a watts link and the car will handle great. the 16 may handle a little better but its not like its a vette.

plus, being in Germany, the car will be uber popular. mustangs as it is are loved but a GT500?? much moreso and it will retain far better resale value, especially over there. they sell the new cars there so a regular GT wont be nearly as special.

NAangel is a member here. she lives out there. her boyfriend owns a shop that specializes in American muscle if you need any wrenching done or anything.

what many dont know is that Germany's roads are as smooth as butter which means the SRA in the GT500 will do just fine. the IRS helps with bumpy roads but on a smooth surface, like a race track, the SRA works just fine.

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

i was in a similiar delima but it was 13/14 Shelby vs a new GT. i ended up getting a comp orange 16 GT and putting a vmp tvs, billet oil pump gears and kooks exhaust on it. i love it! IF the shelby had a nicer interior i probably would have picked it, but the s550 interior is light years ahead of the s197, IMO. i dont think you can go wrong with either, the shelby will be more rare if that means anything to you.

Except you now have a car that a lot of highschool kids / soccer moms get to drive, will TANK in value and subjectively looks terrible on the exterior.

13/14 Shelby vs a s550 5.0 is not even the same league man.

Its like picking an 05 mustang gt over and 04 Cobra! Lol...

But as long as gou enjoy it, it is all that matters!

 

[usafimj]

I'm in Germany right now with my 2008 GT500 and its awesome on the autobahn. I run out of steam before I run out of road. Before I had a 2011 5.0 and while that was a good ride I always wanted a GT500. I'm pretty sure I know what GT500 you're looking at. If I were you jump on it.

Just today I had this old man in his station wagon weave through traffic, pull up beside me and gave a thumbs up with a huge smile on his face. Pulled around to his driver side, down shifted and gave him show.

 

[kwarnerjr]

GT350 get considered at all? Well rounded cars


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[V8Flexin]

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!




Except you now have a car that a lot of highschool kids / soccer moms get to drive, will TANK in value and subjectively looks terrible on the exterior.

13/14 Shelby vs a s550 5.0 is not even the same league man.

Its like picking an 05 mustang gt over and 04 Cobra! Lol...

But as long as gou enjoy it, it is all that matters!

OK were talking starting points for what he wants to do with the car which is going on track. He stated that he already has a 04 Cobra garage Queen and actually wants to heavily mod the car for track duty /street fun. The gt500 can be ran on track pretty competently with suspension mods but it will never hold a candle to a track prepped 16 GT. Also you have the gt350 to pull/emulate from. The gt500 was not intended for road course duty but it can do it just not as well. Now I do intend to build my car to corner carve but I'm not going to pretend I can get gt350 performance and be a comfortable daily. Personally I would wait for the 18 GT for the interior upgrades if you can stomach the front end look...LOL. The GT500 is a great starting point for drag racing/roll racing and the GT is a great starting point for road course duty/corner carving.

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[ZYBORG]

OK were talking starting points for what he wants to do with the car which is going on track. He stated that he already has a 04 Cobra garage Queen and actually wants to heavily mod the car for track duty /street fun. The gt500 can be ran on track pretty competently with suspension mods but it will never hold a candle to a track prepped 16 GT. Also you have the gt350 to pull/emulate from. The gt500 was not intended for road course duty but it can do it just not as well. Now I do intend to build my car to corner carve but I'm not going to pretend I can get gt350 performance and be a comfortable daily. Personally I would wait for the 18 GT for the interior upgrades if you can stomach the front end look...LOL. The GT500 is a great starting point for drag racing/roll racing and the GT is a great starting point for road course duty/corner carving.

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I hear you but just like you can mod the gt, you can also mod the 500. Grigs, fluids/pads, HE, wheel/tire and done.

It will be everything he wants and more, not to mention a much more special car in the end.

 

[GT Premi]

the GT500 is a very heavy car. ...

An '11 GT500 weighs about the same as a S550 GT (with options).

... IF the shelby had a nicer interior i probably would have picked it, but the s550 interior is light years ahead of the s197, IMO. ...

Take it easy on the hyperbole. The S550 interior isn't much better than the S197.

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Its like picking an 05 mustang gt over and 04 Cobra! Lol...

I would (and did) gladly take an '05 GT over an '04 Cobra. No offense to anyone, but the SN95 is garbage. I owned one.

GT350 get considered at all? Well rounded cars

Only sold in North America.

... The gt500 can be ran on track pretty competently with suspension mods but it will never hold a candle to a track prepped 16 GT. ...

More hyperbole. I'd put my basically track prepped GT500 up against a track prepped '16 GT with confidence. Some of you make it seem like the GT500 will roll over on its roof at the mere sight of a corner. Don't forget it can put up better track times stock than an M3/M4 of the same year. I speak from experience that it can be made to handle VERY well. And it can be done for cheaper than trying to get a '16 GT to be as fast.

 

[ZYBORG]

GT PREMI, agreed on all your points, except the one where you pick and 05 gt over a 04 cobra...

Blasphemy.

 

[GT Premi]

LOL! Like I said, I owned an SN95. If somebody gave me one, I'd turn around and give it to somebody else for free.

 

[ZYBORG]

LOL! Like I said, I owned an SN95. If somebody gave me one, I'd turn around and give it to somebody else for free.

Yeah, but we arent talking about any ol' crusty sn95. We are talking about an icon. 03/04 Cobra is the American Supra.

 

[V8Flexin]

An '11 GT500 weighs about the same as a S550 GT (with options).



Take it easy on the hyperbole. The S550 interior isn't much better than the S197.



I would (and did) gladly take an '05 GT over an '04 Cobra. No offense to anyone, but the SN95 is garbage. I owned one.



Only sold in North America.



More hyperbole. I'd put my basically track prepped GT500 up against a track prepped '16 GT with confidence. Some of you make it seem like the GT500 will roll over on its roof at the mere sight of a corner. Don't forget it can put up better track times stock than an M3/M4 of the same year. I speak from experience that it can be made to handle VERY well. And it can be done for cheaper than trying to get a '16 GT to be as fast.

Would like to hear what suspension you have under the GT500. I never said the gt500 couldn't be made to handle, especially with griggs gear but that's major dough and likely not comfortable on the street. And a boosted coyote can be made just as fast as the gt500. This just my opinion and I would never suggest a gt500 to someone trying road race or corner carve as a starting point.

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[GT Premi]

I have almost everything BMR offers under there plus Eibach springs and dampers. Some adjustable coilovers would be better, but I'm on the fence about going that extreme. I've also done a lot of weight reduction.

I didn't say a '16 GT can't be made fast. I said it's cheaper to make a GT500 handle better than it is to make a GT as fast/powerful as a GT500.

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[Steve@TF]

OK were talking starting points for what he wants to do with the car which is going on track. He stated that he already has a 04 Cobra garage Queen and actually wants to heavily mod the car for track duty /street fun. The gt500 can be ran on track pretty competently with suspension mods but it will never hold a candle to a track prepped 16 GT. Also you have the gt350 to pull/emulate from. The gt500 was not intended for road course duty but it can do it just not as well. Now I do intend to build my car to corner carve but I'm not going to pretend I can get gt350 performance and be a comfortable daily. Personally I would wait for the 18 GT for the interior upgrades if you can stomach the front end look...LOL. The GT500 is a great starting point for drag racing/roll racing and the GT is a great starting point for road course duty/corner carving.

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it doesnt take that much...

what do you consider a "track prepped" GT? do the same suspension mods to both cars and im sure the gt500 will walk the GT. the only real thing the S550 really has going for it is the IRS which is not the end all be all. go watch some of bruce's old 07-09 GT500 videos where laps Z06s with ease.
the S550 still has a LOT of S197 in it. hell people track the hell out of shitbox fox bodies all over the US.

i had eibach sportlines with tokicos on my gt500 and it handled great.
i now have airlift suspension which is very adjustable as to its stiffness. it handles incredible, yet still rides great. better than regular springs.

tires will make a bigger difference on these cars. super grippy tires. with a halfass decently suspension and really good tires like mpss, the car will be a blast in a straight line or in the curves. probably not the most ideal car for autocross but ive seen guys autocross the shit out of them. pretty much no mustang is competitve when autoXing against mini coopers, evos, etc... but you can still have fun with it.

unless im mistaken and OP isnt trying to build a race car, but if he is then by all means get a GT and gut the hell out of it and weld in bars and braces everywhere. better yet, get a Z06 and mod the hell out of that.

slap a TVS on that gt500 and you'll destroy just about everything but the fastest cars on the autobahn. just be sure to get a dual fan heat exchanger to help keep things cool.

and then when you're all done using and abusing it, you can sell it someone else out there and not lose your ass on it, because its a shelby....in germany.

as for the GT350, the amazing parts on those cars are the brakes (killer), tires (mpss) and the magnetic suspension (which most people dont have on theirs). but the downside is theyre no autobahn killers. not unless you're willing to slap a blower on it and roll the dice.

 

[Ben99GT]

the GT500 is a very heavy car. there is nothing ur gonna do without breaking the bank that will make that car handle better.

sure u can spend thousands on suspension but its still a very heavy car by todays standards as far as handling goes but so are most of the European cars like the Mercedes and BMW's. their no light weights but the Porsche's are still pretty light

I think u would be much better off with a Z06 if ur looking to go 200 mph and still handle and brake safely.

The '11 GT500 is actually 5 lbs lighter than a '16 GT PP per Ford. I weighed my '11 SVTPP @ 3820 with 3/4 tank of fuel.

 

[Ben99GT]

As far as interior, the S550 may have subjectively nicer interior materials, but I find the S197 to be more comfortable. It's a bigger interior in a lighter chassis, and while it may not be a popular opinion, 5.4/5.8 4V > Coyote, especially once compression and camshaft duration are equalizer. The 5.4 is a more robust architecture and the heads can be made to flow drastically better than a Coyote head casting can be made to flow.

 

[GNBRETT]

well thats pretty sad then. before u know it the Mustang will be 4000 lbs smh

The '11 GT500 is actually 5 lbs lighter than a '16 GT PP per Ford. I weighed my '11 SVTPP @ 3820 with 3/4 tank of fuel.

 

[avgt500]

Gt500 hands down, the trans is worth it, plus the 11 has a aluminum block, the 15/16 is a heavier car then the s197 also.
TVS's are all over the web pretty cheap, throw in a set of 56 injectors (also cheap) and tune you have a monster.