Whippled 600rwhp Terminator hung with me...

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A friend's '04 Terminator Vert with 2.3 Whipple, 3.73 gears, full exhaust, yadda yadda yadda... ran with me from 30mph up to maybe 120. His car dynoed at 600 rear wheel hp. Though it's in my sig, my car has JLT 127mm intake, Lund Tune, and offroad Hpipe. Suspension is springs and relocation brackets. Now the terminator did have NtO5R's on it but he said he was spinning horribly too. I know he had no time to heat them up and it was 9am and cool in Ky. We were messing around and I even took the hit first and only ended up a half car up on him (his nose at my door). Am I expecting too much by saying I was dissappointed??? LOL! Realistically, I basically only have an intake and tune and he has thousands $$$ in his terminator but I expected to pull more. We basically edged back and forth the entire run.

I'm guessing I am 660 at the rear wheels compared to his 600. I'm sure that his tires helped even if he did say he was spinning relentlessly but again they were somewhat cold (they had about a 5 mile freeway ride to warm up). Onlookers said my car was noticeably getting looser than his. I guess a win is a win even if i did cheat taking the hit lol.
 
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His car is lighter than yours. Thats a factor. Also the lower roll did not help you, at 30mph you should be in first gear. Not sure what gear you were in.
 

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Yeah the speed did hurt. Pretty sure I was in second gear but the adrenaline always kills my memory. Kinda crazy. Now that makes me think we kicked it off at a higher speed. Regardless, the difference in gears was very evident with his car right by my ear.

I was thinking the vert was w/in 100 pounds of my car?
 

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He has lower weight, and gears. Is he running a Pump gas Tune??. Miss my former Term. every day. A friend had the 600 Rwhp Term, just did Methanol, bigger KB Blower, more boost, Cams, etc. 710 Rwhp, with Cats, the thing is wickedly fast, and he daily drives it on Cali 91!!! With a Tune and Cai only, I would guess you aren't at 660 Rwhp. Add a TB and smaller pulley, get it on a Dyno with your Tune up-date for verification, and try again..
 
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Yeah the speed did hurt. Pretty sure I was in second gear but the adrenaline always kills my memory. Kinda crazy. Now that makes me think we kicked it off at a higher speed. Regardless, the difference in gears was very evident with his car right by my ear.

I was thinking the vert was w/in 100 pounds of my car?

yea 2nd gear from a 30 is not gonna benefit you on the hit and acceleration, now 40 and up then its better for you. He probably has close to 200lbs on you.
 

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As others have said, weight has a lot to do with this. My 95 cobra with 630ish rwhp will spank a stock or even some modified '13-14 GT500's or other heavier model cars due to it only weighing 3300lbs and change. Takes quite a bit more effort to get a 3900lb+ car moving than it does a 3500lb+ car.
I also found this out years ago when I was *only* at 500rwhp and raced a fox body LX with similar horsepower and torque to the tires. I got walked because he was several hundred pounds lighter than me.
 
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If you have your car modded with bolt ons, either something is wrong with your parts and tune or something is wrong with your driving. Nothing personal.

I ran my friends fox body with termi motor (560 rwhp) in my stock 14 gt500 and we were dead even from a stop to 120-130 then I was pulling away up to 140 ish.
 
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If you both are looking at dyno #s from different dynos you can't be sure his isn't making more power. Heck, the same dyno on different days can make a difference.

I dyno'd my 2011 yesterday and only made 590rwhp SAE after my TVS swap and tune. This was on a dynojet.

I was hoping for 600rwhp.

Then a bone stock 800 miles on it 2014 GT500 went on after me and only pulled 564rwhp SAE.

So, maybe this dyno reads lower than some others?

Maybe the 600rwhp Terminator was on a low reading dyno?

Also, on the street anything can happen, maybe you were heat soaked and making 100rwhp less?

Also, when you are making this kind of power, from a roll it takes quite a bit more power to make a difference. Plus gearing comes in to play.

Your car sounds basazz and ran with another badazz car.

If you don't want it, I'll take it:thumbsup:
 

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If you have your car modded with bolt ons, either something is wrong with your parts and tune or something is wrong with your driving. Nothing personal.

I ran my friends fox body with termi motor (560 rwhp) in my stock 14 gt500 and we were dead even from a stop to 120-130 then I was pulling away up to 140 ish.

It often doesn't have a lot do with the total horsepower a car is making, but rather the overall horsepower/torque curve a car is making. A car can be making 560rwhp at 6000rpm, but only 300rwhp at 4000rpm. Highly unlikely, but you get the point. I've seen plenty of dyno queens over the years making 500rwhp and run like crap at the track. Similarly, I've witnessed and owned a car that is making 400+/- rwhp run in the 10's in the 1/4 mile.
Semantics and math tell us that= a lighter car with equal or more horsepower/torque across the rpm band will win the battle given all other things are equal. ( assuming traction, driver error, health of the car, rpm being shifted at, etc. )
Congratulations on hanging with your buddys car, but don't expect that outcome on every race with other similarly powered vehicles, which are nearly 1000lbs lighter than your car.
 
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With a Tune and Cai I would guess you aren't at 660 Rwhp. Add a TB and smaller pulley, get it on a Dyno with your Tune up-date for verification and try again..
Agreed. We've seen guys on here with just a tune getting only 35-45rwhp from a tune only (CAI isn't actually going to give you much). Add that number to the stock number ranges of 585rwhp-610rwhp the OP may actually just have a tad more power trying to overcome the poor gears and additional weight. The TB seems to give the second biggest bump in power in that kit next to the tune.
 

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I wouldn't be to upset with that. I am stock minus a lund email tune, I went from 590 to 637. The intake and Hpipe are probably good for another 10-15 I would think?
 

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Well this thread has me worried. Co-worker has a whippled 03 Cobra vert. car dynoed 575 RWHP. He has called me out many times so far. Claims the car has went 10.90's at 128 in the 1/4 so we will see. No tune on my car, only mods are resonator delete and Airaid non-oiled filter....and driver mod from what I have told. I have a SCT tuner, 65 FRPP TB waiting to be installed. I told him the only way to race would be from a roll.......we will c.
 
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Always great to hear about terminators still running strong on the street, I'm lucky to still have mine after ten years! Love those cars!!
 

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Gears tires and power curve advantage from a roll here.
Use this as motivation to order tires and a gear :)
Modded terminators with a good driver are always serious, but these cars have way more potential.
-J
 

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So you were basically dead even but you didn't even run for a 1/4 mile. You have a slight rwhp advantage (630-640) but are likely 150lbs heavier with the already mentioned slight gearing disadvantage and slightly worse drag coefficient and less traction on the hit.

The race sounds about right to me, a 600rwhp Terminator is no slouch. He's maxed out from a reliability standpoint and could not race beyond 4th due to the piston clearance issues that are common on those cars (not that anyone should be doing that). I would like to have seen what would have happened if you had gone just a bit further to the top of his 4th. Remember, your car is still nearly bone stock and his has max bolt-ons.
 

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As others have said, weight has a lot to do with this. My 95 cobra with 630ish rwhp will spank a stock or even some modified '13-14 GT500's or other heavier model cars due to it only weighing 3300lbs and change. Takes quite a bit more effort to get a 3900lb+ car moving than it does a 3500lb+ car.
I also found this out years ago when I was *only* at 500rwhp and raced a fox body LX with similar horsepower and torque to the tires. I got walked because he was several hundred pounds lighter than me.

True our cars are much heavier, however a 95 Cobra and it's 1979 Fairmont underpinnings is not nearly as good at putting the power to the ground as a modern day Mustang is. Yes, weight is one advantage but so is a good chassis and suspension. I'm not saying your car can't outrun a new stock 2013/2014 car. But with very light mods a new one will crank out 700HP+ and would very likely walk yours unless you have the frame and suspension on yours properly set up to do only one thing...1/8 to 1/4 mile runs. From a roll though, look out! Especially if you have 3.73 or lower gears...that will make it get really nasty for you real quick.
 

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You have a slight rwhp advantage (630-640) but are likely 150lbs heavier with the already mentioned slight gearing disadvantage and slightly worse drag coefficient...

I have to disagree with that last part. The 03 is shaped like a brick. :lol:
I'd definitely give the "slippy slope" edge to the Shelby. Anyone ever pay attention to the way the Shelby sounds/feels at 80-90mph? Nothing near the buffeting of the 03 in my opinion.
 

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Go to the 1/4 mi strip and both of you bring a go-pro so we can get it on video.
 

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