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Beef is also correct.

I talk to a LOT of tuners all the time.
Chat with Jon on problems, chat with tuners that dislike Jon as well.
IMO its the network of tuners working together on a common goal that is the REAL strength and future of the industry.

I veiw the industry a little different than most. I'm NOT here to dominate via quantity. I'm not here to make a ton of $$$.

I'm here to provide the best possible service I can at a reasonable price given the extra level of detail and service involved. As such I have no competition. I have a network of some of the brightest and most innovative brothers in the industry.

I wish our government thought like this, instead of Dem vs Rep.. Work together..

Anyways this is a great way to view it Shaun :beer:
 

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Beef is also correct.

I talk to a LOT of tuners all the time.
Chat with Jon on problems, chat with tuners that dislike Jon as well.
IMO its the network of tuners working together on a common goal that is the REAL strength and future of the industry.

I veiw the industry a little different than most. I'm NOT here to dominate via quantity. I'm not here to make a ton of $$$.

I'm here to provide the best possible service I can at a reasonable price given the extra level of detail and service involved. As such I have no competition. I have a network of some of the brightest and most innovative brothers in the industry.

Excellent attitude Shaun. I wish more people took this approach to every buisness. I'll be giving you a PM shortly. :rockon:
 

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What you have to understand about tuning. Is there are certain people that spend alot of time figuring out how to tune things on these cars that other people haven't. And how to actually access certain parts of the programming.

Now, I have nothing against Shaun, but lets take for example, the 2013 GT500's, did Shaun start tuning them 2 or 3 months ago when they came out?

No, and the reason is, he doesn't didn't know how to, and didn't have the software to do it.

Someone has to figure this stuff out, and it's guys like Lund that do that.



If you don't know the man, then it's not fair for you to make accusations.

Jon is a full time Chief Pilot by trade. This takes up a riduclous amount of time right out of the gate. After spending all week working like everyone else. He then sits up til 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, writing tunes, cracking software, etc...

He gives a ton of his time to this hobby. And not just for money, because he's passionate about it.

It's alot easier for Shaun to write 3 or 4 tunes a week. That is his full time business and he says he can do 3-4 tunes a week roughly. Lund is writing 3-400 tunes a month, and on the side.

Cut the guy some friggin slack.

If it wasn't for guys like Lund, you wouldn't have guys like Shaun.

And when Shaun needs help, who does he call. Guys like Lund. I was personally on the phone with Shaun one day while he was trying to get some help on a S/C car that he was tuning that he couldn't figure out how to get fuel to it. He then said he'd call me back, because he had Lund calling him back on the other line.

So when Shaun needs help, he goes to the best.

I personally delivered Lunds 13 GT500 to him in PA. After working a 12 or 13 hour day, he got to his house. Tried to spend a little time with the family, eat some dinner. Then we spent another 1 1/2 hours driving the car around, working on calibrations, that HE figured out, reversing the programming that HE figured out. Not waiting on SCT to release canned stuff. Or taking somoene elses tune and sending it to SCT to be reversed.

After watching him work for another couple hours on calibrations, I finally called it quits about 1:30 in the morning, and Jon said he still had some tunes to work on.

So before you condemn one of the top guys in the business, that help get info (maybe not all of it), out to other guys so we can all enjoy our hobby. Maybe you should try to walk a day in his shoes.

Can Jon be a little short sometimes, sure, he's very busy. It's no different with me, and I consider him a friend. Maybe that comes off as arrogant. He's straight and to the point. He needs to be working 18-20 hour days.

Again, I have nothing against Shaun at all, he seems to do a great job with the guys here and I respect that.

But Jon is my guy when it comes to tuning, and after watching him do what he does. I can't sid idly buy and watch his name slandered.

OK, first off, i dont know the guy PERSONALLY, I can only speak on my personal experiences with him and to put it lightly they were SHITTTYY. I dont know tuning, i dont tune! So I (the customer) am going to have plenty of questions for a PAID service that is going on my brand new 30k car. You (jon, shaun, steeda, amazon blah blah) should EXPECT this from customers, with out a doubt. I dont think im stepping out of my ROLE as a customer in any way. Im paying for a service, i want information. IDC what anyone says, he was a DICK to me and i know how he has been to other people. I seen the emails first hand when he just laughs at simple questions and responds in such a condecending manner. He cant be bother for an update, datalog, whatever. Customer service SHOULD BE #1!!! ALWAYS! Its really quite simple, I write software at my job, I have clients all the time asking me shit tons of questions, i know all about customer service and how it should be given and received. Bottom line is if your putting out a product that you cant keep up with support for, you need to quit what your doing or hire more help. Thats a basic fundamental in economics. Because in the end, theres really only one side that takes a hit, and thats THE CUSTOMER.

I see he has more help, and thats good, hopefully he can help his attitude some day too.
 
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OK, first off, i dont know the guy PERSONALLY, I can only speak on my personal experiences with him and to put it lightly they were SHITTTYY. I dont know tuning, i dont tune! So I (the customer) am going to have plenty of questions for a PAID service that is going on my brand new 30k car. You (jon, shaun, steeda, amazon blah blah) should EXPECT this from customers, with out a doubt. I dont think im stepping out of my ROLE as a customer in any way. Im paying for a service, i want information. IDC what anyone says, he was a DICK to me and i know how he has been to other people. I seen the emails first hand when he just laughs at simple questions and responds in such a condecending manner. He cant be bother for an update, datalog, whatever. Customer service SHOULD BE #1!!! ALWAYS! Its really quite simple, I write software at my job, I have clients all the time asking me shit tons of questions, i know all about customer service and how it should be given and received. Bottom line is if your putting out a product that you cant keep up with support for, you need to quit what your doing or hire more help. Thats a basic fundamental in economics. Because in the end, theres really only one side that takes a hit, and thats THE CUSTOMER.

I see he has more help, and thats good, hopefully he can help his attitude some day too.

Ouch...
 

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The information in the thread is pertinent to my interests.

It's up to the owner of the car to determine what is best for their ride. There's so much BS I'd hope a mod would step in and edit it.

There's too much opinion based hot air and not enough technical "back and forth".

I appreciate everyone bringing their knowledge to this thread. It's a shame we have to swim through a layer of bullshit to get to critical engine information.
 

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The information in the thread is pertinent to my interests.

It's up to the owner of the car to determine what is best for their ride. There's so much BS I'd hope a mod would step in and edit it.

There's too much opinion based hot air and not enough technical "back and forth".

I appreciate everyone bringing their knowledge to this thread. It's a shame we have to swim through a layer of bullshit to get to critical engine information.


I couldn't agree more :beer:

When it comes to anything AED laced in this forum - it gets out of control and opinionated.
 

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Minus the ego's and competency battles, I want to thank every tuner involved with our vehicles no matter the size nor complexity.

Tuner's are businesses that have entered our market, taken competitive market share, and ran with it. Without businesses as such, there would be no avenue for aftermarket parts (tunes included).

Although I don't have a tuned vehicle, and don't particularly plan on it, I am thankful for the excitement and lust that aftermarket companies have brewed inside me. Sure, companies enter the market because of opportunity, but we are the benefactors in that equation.

I applaud Suan, as a consumer, for sharing information with us. Sure, it might not be a 100% solution or anywhere 100% of what he actually knows in regards to this problem. He stepped up and tried to educate the public without leaking trade secrets. Believe me, I am not taking that information and mystically empowered with the knowledge of tuning vehicles to open my own tuning business to compete with industry.

Customer's aren't pets that you make piss outside just because you tell them too, we are inquisitive and knowledge seeking beings. Isn't that the same behavior that got the tuners currently in the market in the hobby in the first place? I think its a great idea that tuners collaborated, identified, and have researched what is going on with the #8 issues. It is my opinion that more of this should be done, as the #8 issue is something that regardless if blown out of proportion (or not) has instilled fear into consumers. That fear reduces demand, and diminishes the market. Had these issues never come up to begin with, it would likely be far fetched to find a coyote without a tune. But that's not the case, so why not educate the public, collaborate with each other, and develop a solution what will regain lost demand.

Oh jeebus, I got long winded. Anywho, as I stated at the beginning...that's to all industry for giving me an avenue to express my automotive interests for my market segment. :beer:
 

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I keep hearing bad fuel come up what gas brands are y'all recommending I use Mobil and Chevron

Or are you guys referring to putting wrong octane

People are shady. They will sell 87 as 93. Most people will never know. I usually try to get gas from a corporate station. Always a chance of a bad mix or a driver loading the fuel incorrect
 

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People are shady. They will sell 87 as 93. Most people will never know. I usually try to get gas from a corporate station. Always a chance of a bad mix or a driver loading the fuel incorrect

whenever your at shell, they have counters above each grade, ive selected 93 numerrous times and ive seen the counters pull from the other grades. Most of the time it pulls from the 93, but ive gone back inside and talked to the attendant, and they have refunded or adjusted. Ill stop it almost immediately...keep a look out.....i hear chevron is pretty consistent:shrug:
 

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whenever your at shell, they have counters above each grade, ive selected 93 numerrous times and ive seen the counters pull from the other grades. Most of the time it pulls from the 93, but ive gone back inside and talked to the attendant, and they have refunded or adjusted. Ill stop it almost immediately...keep a look out.....i hear chevron is pretty consistent:shrug:

Huh. I need to keep a look out next time.
 

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What you have to understand about tuning. Is there are certain people that spend alot of time figuring out how to tune things on these cars that other people haven't. And how to actually access certain parts of the programming.

Now, I have nothing against Shaun, but lets take for example, the 2013 GT500's, did Shaun start tuning them 2 or 3 months ago when they came out?

No, and the reason is, he doesn't didn't know how to, and didn't have the software to do it.

Someone has to figure this stuff out, and it's guys like Lund that do that.



If you don't know the man, then it's not fair for you to make accusations.

Jon is a full time Chief Pilot by trade. This takes up a riduclous amount of time right out of the gate. After spending all week working like everyone else. He then sits up til 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, writing tunes, cracking software, etc...

He gives a ton of his time to this hobby. And not just for money, because he's passionate about it.

It's alot easier for Shaun to write 3 or 4 tunes a week. That is his full time business and he says he can do 3-4 tunes a week roughly. Lund is writing 3-400 tunes a month, and on the side.

Cut the guy some friggin slack.

If it wasn't for guys like Lund, you wouldn't have guys like Shaun.

And when Shaun needs help, who does he call. Guys like Lund. I was personally on the phone with Shaun one day while he was trying to get some help on a S/C car that he was tuning that he couldn't figure out how to get fuel to it. He then said he'd call me back, because he had Lund calling him back on the other line.

So when Shaun needs help, he goes to the best.

I personally delivered Lunds 13 GT500 to him in PA. After working a 12 or 13 hour day, he got to his house. Tried to spend a little time with the family, eat some dinner. Then we spent another 1 1/2 hours driving the car around, working on calibrations, that HE figured out, reversing the programming that HE figured out. Not waiting on SCT to release canned stuff. Or taking somoene elses tune and sending it to SCT to be reversed.

After watching him work for another couple hours on calibrations, I finally called it quits about 1:30 in the morning, and Jon said he still had some tunes to work on.

So before you condemn one of the top guys in the business, that help get info (maybe not all of it), out to other guys so we can all enjoy our hobby. Maybe you should try to walk a day in his shoes.

Can Jon be a little short sometimes, sure, he's very busy. It's no different with me, and I consider him a friend. Maybe that comes off as arrogant. He's straight and to the point. He needs to be working 18-20 hour days.

Again, I have nothing against Shaun at all, he seems to do a great job with the guys here and I respect that.

But Jon is my guy when it comes to tuning, and after watching him do what he does. I can't sid idly buy and watch his name slandered.

i only use Lund tunes on my 2011GT. it will stay that way. i tune my own 96 4v turbo.
 

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OK, first off, i dont know the guy PERSONALLY, I can only speak on my personal experiences with him and to put it lightly they were SHITTTYY. I dont know tuning, i dont tune! So I (the customer) am going to have plenty of questions for a PAID service that is going on my brand new 30k car. You (jon, shaun, steeda, amazon blah blah) should EXPECT this from customers, with out a doubt. I dont think im stepping out of my ROLE as a customer in any way. Im paying for a service, i want information. IDC what anyone says, he was a DICK to me and i know how he has been to other people. I seen the emails first hand when he just laughs at simple questions and responds in such a condecending manner. He cant be bother for an update, datalog, whatever. Customer service SHOULD BE #1!!! ALWAYS! Its really quite simple, I write software at my job, I have clients all the time asking me shit tons of questions, i know all about customer service and how it should be given and received. Bottom line is if your putting out a product that you cant keep up with support for, you need to quit what your doing or hire more help. Thats a basic fundamental in economics. Because in the end, theres really only one side that takes a hit, and thats THE CUSTOMER.

I see he has more help, and thats good, hopefully he can help his attitude some day too.

no, you dont know tuning...NUFF said.
 

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Shaun, honest question: If you have 'tuned out' the coding that has caused the problems, why would you not guarantee like Bama?

I hear that you are saying there is an issue with the tune from factory that causes the failures in some cars. But, didn't you also say that you have corrected the problem?

Great, now you are acting like a political reporter and scaring tuners away from sharing this critical information with us.. Are you seriously thinking about a warranty on a hot rod? you can buy insurance for the track - i think its about $1500 bucks for 50 grand worth.. if you are a warranty person you can't run a tune unless is the fordracing tune. thats it!

this is not a warranty thread, or a personal attack thread it was a great thread about details on number 8, FINALLY.. this along with the L&M engines thread on the same thing. All this points to E85 as the best warranty we could ever have. E85 keeps the lean condition at bay and helps prevent detonation. all we have left to fail after that is the oil pump :).

Shaun and CPR and the other tuners please continue to post up. thanks!!
 

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People are shady. They will sell 87 as 93. Most people will never know. I usually try to get gas from a corporate station. Always a chance of a bad mix or a driver loading the fuel incorrect

this is what i worry about, mostly with the driver mixing it up

everytime i filled up with my 89 procharged fox i would think about it lol
 

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Looks like Cobb is happy with the ricer market. I surprised Diablo hasn't stepped up their game.

Im sure in the next few years there will be other tuners out there cuz when the mustang goes world wide the people overseas wont want to bother with company's like SCT and Diablo
 

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You can call it whatever you want. I came from the euro/japan market and it blows this one out of the water. One would never know based on the amount of people that modify mustangs, but trust me, tuning wise, this market is at the very bottom compared to euro/asian market. This simply has to change since ford finally provided us with an ecu that is fairly modern.

Like I said I came from communities where users shared maps, and made maps together. Problems were openly discussed on the boards, solutions were tried and tested by members ect ect. Those that did not feel confident, got pro tuned or seeked help from forum memebers. Here, everyhting is hush hush and vague posts are made here and there starting drama while actually stating nothing useful/factual.


Last time I checked it was a free country, you can make your own hardware and write your own software to accomplish your own goals. Have at it, good luck.
 
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