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There is no need to sling any mud at Shaun for sharing the information and explaining it to us that aren't in the know. I thank him for sharing.
 

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Thread full of LOLs here, wasn't a good idea to start this topic. So many people in this business get their info from the very same source. Some don't get it first hand though. Now some of you will go and make your snarky little comments about me, but Shaun certainly knows that I know EXACTLY what/who I'm talking about.

By now you know Adam and I work well together.
And yes, this 'fix' was one of those joint projects we do quite frequently. 2 parts to it, I found a specific parameter related to the WOT lean condition like the log posted. He found a 'catch all' that will save the motor in all other forced lean conditions.

As for the thread....I was advised NOT to educate the public on the matter for reasons you are probably aware of, however like you, I am my own man and make my own decisions.

The F-U thread was the catylist...just getting very tired of it all. Every #8 failure thread turns into tuner bashing. In this case it's my opinion that a little education can go a long way.
 

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Thread full of LOLs here, wasn't a good idea to start this topic. So many people in this business get their info from the very same source. Some don't get it first hand though. Now some of you will go and make your snarky little comments about me, but Shaun certainly knows that I know EXACTLY what/who I'm talking about.

Really? What is this a secret society of tuners? I hate the idea of there's only a few people should now how to tune and that's it. That's BS. I personally want to know everything I can about the tunning of my car. I applaud Shaun for sharing some of this 'secret information'. I don't see how discussing this is harming anything in the least.

Another thing, this whole wanting a warranty from the tuner is also BS. It's getting a little annoying hearing people cry because a tuner comes on here and states he found a screw up in Fords programming, possibly being a main contributer to the #8 and what's he receive for trying to help? Complaining about no warranty. Are u friggin kidding me???
 

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Shaun seems like a great guy, if I didn't have a dyno tune (and I'm hoping he's aware of the wot lean condition) id definitely have a aed tune by now, still may get one!

Thanks for posting the info, coming from a guy with a previous #8 failure.
 

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By now you know Adam and I work well together.
And yes, this 'fix' was one of those joint projects we do quite frequently. 2 parts to it, I found a specific parameter related to the WOT lean condition like the log posted. He found a 'catch all' that will save the motor in all other forced lean conditions.

As for the thread....I was advised NOT to educate the public on the matter for reasons you are probably aware of, however like you, I am my own man and make my own decisions.

The F-U thread was the catylist...just getting very tired of it all. Every #8 failure thread turns into tuner bashing. In this case it's my opinion that a little education can go a long way.
exactly, instead of pointing fingers, and bashing people these threads should be a way to find out what went wrong and why so we can all benefit from what we learn

but theres always some asshole in every thread that screws it all up lol

on a side note, have you done any tuning with the InTune?
 

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Really? What is this a secret society of tuners? I hate the idea of there's only a few people should now how to tune and that's it. That's BS. I personally want to know everything I can about the tunning of my car. I applaud Shaun for sharing some of this 'secret information'. I don't see how discussing this is harming anything in the least.

It kind of is that. If you want to know everything, Ford hires calibrators all the time. Here you go. Calibration ford Jobs in Dearborn, MI (Hiring) - Dearborn Calibration ford Jobs | Jobs2Careers No you wouldn't see how it is harming. None of this aftermarket tuning happens without insider information, it all starts there. So things happen like the guy who feeds info to the guy who feeds it to Shaun decides he doesn't want things out there on forums, then Shaun's source is considered less trustworthy, and he gets less info or no info, which means Shaun doesn't either. I know these people personally and have for a long time, these things do happen. You can take my word on that or don't, not going to affect me any, I'll still tune my own cars. If you keep these things quiet, you remain trusted. If you don't, not so much.

As for your comments about warranty, I couldn't agree more. If I burn my shit down, I'll fix it myself. Like many other aspects of society, there is too much of an entitlement mentality, people don't want to accept responsibility for their own actions/shortcomings, such as melting pistons on bad fuel. They just want someone else to pay for it. Those people have no business driving anything but a stock vehicle.
 

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As for your comments about warranty, I couldn't agree more. If I burn my shit down, I'll fix it myself. Like many other aspects of society, there is too much of an entitlement mentality, people don't want to accept responsibility for their own actions/shortcomings, such as melting pistons on bad fuel. They just want someone else to pay for it. Those people have no business driving anything but a stock vehicle.

:beer:

This is what happens when a bunch of self entitled jackasses buy performance cars!
 

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What you have to understand about tuning. Is there are certain people that spend alot of time figuring out how to tune things on these cars that other people haven't. And how to actually access certain parts of the programming.

Now, I have nothing against Shaun, but lets take for example, the 2013 GT500's, did Shaun start tuning them 2 or 3 months ago when they came out?

No, and the reason is, he doesn't didn't know how to, and didn't have the software to do it.

Someone has to figure this stuff out, and it's guys like Lund that do that.

No it's not, Lund has the same dick arrogant attitude, they are 1 in the same

If you don't know the man, then it's not fair for you to make accusations.

Jon is a full time Chief Pilot by trade. This takes up a riduclous amount of time right out of the gate. After spending all week working like everyone else. He then sits up til 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, writing tunes, cracking software, etc...

He gives a ton of his time to this hobby. And not just for money, because he's passionate about it.

It's alot easier for Shaun to write 3 or 4 tunes a week. That is his full time business and he says he can do 3-4 tunes a week roughly. Lund is writing 3-400 tunes a month, and on the side.

Cut the guy some friggin slack.

If it wasn't for guys like Lund, you wouldn't have guys like Shaun.

And when Shaun needs help, who does he call. Guys like Lund. I was personally on the phone with Shaun one day while he was trying to get some help on a S/C car that he was tuning that he couldn't figure out how to get fuel to it. He then said he'd call me back, because he had Lund calling him back on the other line.

So when Shaun needs help, he goes to the best.

I personally delivered Lunds 13 GT500 to him in PA. After working a 12 or 13 hour day, he got to his house. Tried to spend a little time with the family, eat some dinner. Then we spent another 1 1/2 hours driving the car around, working on calibrations, that HE figured out, reversing the programming that HE figured out. Not waiting on SCT to release canned stuff. Or taking somoene elses tune and sending it to SCT to be reversed.

After watching him work for another couple hours on calibrations, I finally called it quits about 1:30 in the morning, and Jon said he still had some tunes to work on.

So before you condemn one of the top guys in the business, that help get info (maybe not all of it), out to other guys so we can all enjoy our hobby. Maybe you should try to walk a day in his shoes.

Can Jon be a little short sometimes, sure, he's very busy. It's no different with me, and I consider him a friend. Maybe that comes off as arrogant. He's straight and to the point. He needs to be working 18-20 hour days.

Again, I have nothing against Shaun at all, he seems to do a great job with the guys here and I respect that.

But Jon is my guy when it comes to tuning, and after watching him do what he does. I can't sid idly buy and watch his name slandered.
 
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What you have to understand about tuning. Is there are certain people that spend alot of time figuring out how to tune things on these cars that other people haven't. And how to actually access certain parts of the programming.

Now, I have nothing against Shaun, but lets take for example, the 2013 GT500's, did Shaun start tuning them 2 or 3 months ago when they came out?

No, and the reason is, he doesn't didn't know how to, and didn't have the software to do it.

Someone has to figure this stuff out, and it's guys like Lund that do that.



If you don't know the man, then it's not fair for you to make accusations.

Jon is a full time Chief Pilot by trade. This takes up a riduclous amount of time right out of the gate. After spending all week working like everyone else. He then sits up til 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, writing tunes, cracking software, etc...

He gives a ton of his time to this hobby. And not just for money, because he's passionate about it.

It's alot easier for Shaun to write 3 or 4 tunes a week. That is his full time business and he says he can do 3-4 tunes a week roughly. Lund is writing 3-400 tunes a month, and on the side.

Cut the guy some friggin slack.

If it wasn't for guys like Lund, you wouldn't have guys like Shaun.

And when Shaun needs help, who does he call. Guys like Lund. I was personally on the phone with Shaun one day while he was trying to get some help on a S/C car that he was tuning that he couldn't figure out how to get fuel to it. He then said he'd call me back, because he had Lund calling him back on the other line.

So when Shaun needs help, he goes to the best.

I personally delivered Lunds 13 GT500 to him in PA. After working a 12 or 13 hour day, he got to his house. Tried to spend a little time with the family, eat some dinner. Then we spent another 1 1/2 hours driving the car around, working on calibrations, that HE figured out, reversing the programming that HE figured out. Not waiting on SCT to release canned stuff. Or taking somoene elses tune and sending it to SCT to be reversed.

After watching him work for another couple hours on calibrations, I finally called it quits about 1:30 in the morning, and Jon said he still had some tunes to work on.

So before you condemn one of the top guys in the business, that help get info (maybe not all of it), out to other guys so we can all enjoy our hobby. Maybe you should try to walk a day in his shoes.

Can Jon be a little short sometimes, sure, he's very busy. It's no different with me, and I consider him a friend. Maybe that comes off as arrogant. He's straight and to the point. He needs to be working 18-20 hour days.

Again, I have nothing against Shaun at all, he seems to do a great job with the guys here and I respect that.

But Jon is my guy when it comes to tuning, and after watching him do what he does. I can't sid idly buy and watch his name slandered.

hate to say it but customer service goes A LONG WAY in any retail/sales business. I for one have never delt with john lund, but i could see how a certain tuner who'm is better skilled at customer service would get more positive feedback then one whos maybe overwhelmed judging by what your posting and based on previous posts from some of his customers probably not as good at customer service.

Now from my experience with Shaun i think of it this way. Steve jobs once said,

"Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle."

im confident Shaun loves what he does and from a customer stand point this guy has done things i haven't seen many do in the tuning business. he's also taken up out of work hours to help me get my tunes and helped many locals around my area when they've stumbled upon any issues with their cars related to tuning. he's also very approachable when it comes to consulting on what to do and what no to do with your car. Thats what IN MY OPINION makes him edge out others in the field.

but on a side note, now with this information it is pretty clear that this now shows evidence that john lund isnt truly RESPONSIBLE for that piston #8 issue on the Fuuuu thread, so im not sure why people continue bashing him about #8 failures.
 
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^ because he tunes the most cars out of any tuner! Also People love to blame one person for something they did and try to rationalize why it's not their fault, Instead the human race is going to point a finger and say it was so and so..

The bottom line is Tuning is a risk no matter if it is a safe tune or on the ragged edge, There is no guarantee, and to blame the tuner if in 1000-10,000 miles something goes wrong is ridiculous. I mean YOU drive your car everyday, Not the tuner! there is bad gas stations out there, and How is he or she to take into account that you beat the shit out of your car on a daily basis ( some do).
 

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hate to say it but customer service goes A LONG WAY in any retail/sales business. I for one have never delt with john lund, but i could see how a certain tuner who'm is better skilled at customer service would get more positive feedback then one whos maybe overwhelmed judging by what your posting and based on previous posts from some of his customers probably not as good at customer service.

Now from my experience with Shaun i think of it this way. Steve jobs once said,

"Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle."

im confident Shaun loves what he does and from a customer stand point this guy has done things i haven't seen many do in the tuning business. he's also taken up out of work hours to help me get my tunes and helped many locals around my area when they've stumbled upon any issues with their cars related to tuning. he's also very approachable when it comes to consulting on what to do and what no to do with your car. Thats what makes IN MY OPINION makes him edge out others in the field.

but on a side note, now with this information it is pretty clear that this now shows evidence that john lund isnt truly RESPONSIBLE for that piston #8 issue, so im not sure why people continue bashing him about #8 failures.

Shaun is like me when it comes to customer service. I take things very personally. I DO NOT LIKE when customers are not happy. I go out of my way to try to take care of people with anything that is in my capability.

I think Shaun does a great job with that. There is no denying that. I like to think I do the same thing. I am regularly on the phone with customers past 10pm at night answering questions.

Does the wife get irritated, yes, but she knows that's the way I am.

As far as Jon, he is at that level, where he simply does not have the time to give that "one on one" with each customer. However, he hired Ken B (one of the most respected tuners out there) to help assist him with the tuning, and now they have hired an office manager to help stream line things as well.

Things are starting to move alot quicker, but as things move quicker, then business just grows more, lol.
 

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It kind of is that. If you want to know everything, Ford hires calibrators all the time. Here you go. Calibration ford Jobs in Dearborn, MI (Hiring) - Dearborn Calibration ford Jobs | Jobs2Careers No you wouldn't see how it is harming. None of this aftermarket tuning happens without insider information, it all starts there. So things happen like the guy who feeds info to the guy who feeds it to Shaun decides he doesn't want things out there on forums, then Shaun's source is considered less trustworthy, and he gets less info or no info, which means Shaun doesn't either. I know these people personally and have for a long time, these things do happen. You can take my word on that or don't, not going to affect me any, I'll still tune my own cars. If you keep these things quiet, you remain trusted. If you don't, not so much.

As for your comments about warranty, I couldn't agree more. If I burn my shit down, I'll fix it myself. Like many other aspects of society, there is too much of an entitlement mentality, people don't want to accept responsibility for their own actions/shortcomings, such as melting pistons on bad fuel. They just want someone else to pay for it. Those people have no business driving anything but a stock vehicle.

This is correct.
I take a huge risk when posting threads like this on the forums.

I know what my tuner buddies have done for AED, but I also know who it is that makes all of this possible. The customer.

Hence, why customer service is #1

Without the customer/hobbiest, we have no business.
 

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I keep hearing bad fuel come up what gas brands are y'all recommending I use Mobil and Chevron

Or are you guys referring to putting wrong octane
 
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Beef is also correct.

I talk to a LOT of tuners all the time.
Chat with Jon on problems, chat with tuners that dislike Jon as well.
IMO its the network of tuners working together on a common goal that is the REAL strength and future of the industry.

I veiw the industry a little different than most. I'm NOT here to dominate via quantity. I'm not here to make a ton of $$$.

I'm here to provide the best possible service I can at a reasonable price given the extra level of detail and service involved. As such I have no competition. I have a network of some of the brightest and most innovative brothers in the industry.
 
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