ZL-1 Killed on Interstate with 2012 GT

[MikeLTDLX]

I've had people take off on me while behind them (given not tailgaiting like this guy you mention) but if someone in front of you takes off while you are in cruising gear, it could be an easy 3 cars before you get in gear and going.

Basically my point is that a race like you described is not really indicative of how it would go with both cars lined up.

Yes, and no. He ran up on me hard and he was not in a high gear loafing. He knew it was coming because those weren't sneaky downshifts. My car is loud and I popped a rev between each downshift. I may have had a nanosecond on him before he had the hammer down as well. Either way, he was dealing with a car that is a solid 4-5 tenths quicker than him, minimum. Also, this was the second time he ran up on me.

Aed tuned?! Lol

I believe it!

Hey mike you should switch to the corn, shaun's corn tune is nasty!

Good kill!

No corn down here, unfortunately.

Mike

 

[TheCPE]

As others have pointed out being lined up side by side would have made it legitimate, whether the guy had downshifted already or not, he still had to react to you so you absolutely got the jump and no telling by how much. Further, the guy could have been a complete noobcake and selected the wrong gear when he did downshift, that is my guess.

I too drive a '12 5.0 with boltons and 3.55s and have first hand experience with ZL1, no way from a roll is a bolton 5.0 faster than the ZL1, an objective individual would realize this, whether they drove a bow tie or pony.

Can't even really say you beat the driver here as the scenario was not a legitimate setup for a "race". You took off and zl1 chased...

Others have been once again trying to compare 1/4 mile times to say "see, look a bolton 5.0 can totally take a zl1"...

1/4 mile times do very little to indicate the outcome in a roll race, mass becomes so much less a factor and it comes down to power and aero....

Your bolton 5.0 isn't put near to the ground what that zl1 is...:shrug:

Roll racing at a 1/2 mile event a stock zl1 was hitting 148 all day the best bolton 5.0 (with 3.73s) only hit 138...

 

[Mike Morris]

I think you beat the driver.

Have seen 4 different ZL1s and all hit 116-117MPH with no mods and temp tags though none hit 11s

 

[10thsilversnk]

I finally saw one yesterday. I too want to run one! Good Kill.

 

[Strpperpolef150]

For all the haters here is a stock auto car taking down a zl1 on a prepped street
5.0 vs ZL1 - YouTube

Also, mike has trapped 119 in his car so 116-117 still isn't enough.

 

[Black*Death]

As others have pointed out being lined up side by side would have made it legitimate, whether the guy had downshifted already or not, he still had to react to you so you absolutely got the jump and no telling by how much. Further, the guy could have been a complete noobcake and selected the wrong gear when he did downshift, that is my guess.

I too drive a '12 5.0 with boltons and 3.55s and have first hand experience with ZL1, no way from a roll is a bolton 5.0 faster than the ZL1, an objective individual would realize this, whether they drove a bow tie or pony.

Can't even really say you beat the driver here as the scenario was not a legitimate setup for a "race". You took off and zl1 chased...

Others have been once again trying to compare 1/4 mile times to say "see, look a bolton 5.0 can totally take a zl1"...

1/4 mile times do very little to indicate the outcome in a roll race, mass becomes so much less a factor and it comes down to power and aero....

Your bolton 5.0 isn't put near to the ground what that zl1 is...:shrug:

Roll racing at a 1/2 mile event a stock zl1 was hitting 148 all day the best bolton 5.0 (with 3.73s) only hit 138...

Stop making sense..well have none of it here

 

[Black*Death]

I think one of those ran a 13.6 here which is about what a happy bone stock 5.0 S197 does with a good driver.

Not familiar with a happy bone stock 5.0 S197? BUT

I am familiar with a happy bone stock 4.6 S197?

 

[TheCPE]

Also, mike has trapped 119 in his car so 116-117 still isn't enough.

It is like beating a dead horse....

1/4 mile is not indicative of the results of an interstate roll race...

 

[Vigilante375]

Good kill. Those ZL1 fan boi's think they're great but it's just an over hyped POS that is no faster than a stock Boss 302.

 

[SILV03MustangGT]

i am itching to take on a ZL1, i tried talking a little trash to a ZL1 owner at a car show. he asked my mods and I told him i compress my own air. needless to say he quickly went back to talking about that sweet magnetic suspension.

 

[TheCPE]

Good kill. Those ZL1 fan boi's think they're great but it's just an over hyped POS that is no faster than a stock Boss 302.

Definitely some fan boys in the thread...

Stock auto zl1s put down around 480rwhp, manuals around 500rwhp...

From a roll, especially a 3rd gear roll the weight difference is going to be nearly negligible.

Not sure how an objective person equivocates the probable 80 hp differential :shrug:

The 5.0 fan boys in here would be having aneurisms if a bolton 4.6 GT came in here and said they pulled a stock 5.0 by 3-4 cars... about the same differential...

 

[5pointohh]

good kill! i totally believe it. i've had a similar experience, but from a red light. i had almost 1 1/2 cars on him till 100, but i shut down. I also didn't post it on svt because of all the crying that would of went down :banana:

 

[5pointohh]

It is like beating a dead horse....

1/4 mile is not indicative of the results of an interstate roll race...

o rly?

 

[Yellow03snake]

The TS car traps mid to high teens, 90% of the Vs I've seen only trap 112-115 stock, unless it's mineshaft conditions, then you might see some 117-119s

Everyone seems to think a V is 118-120 mph car all day, just not the case....and the ZL1, please, it's a 110-115 car on a good day.

 

[04nccobra]

Maybe not a kill but a good story, I myself can't wait to line up with one soon.

 

[black99lightnin]

It is like beating a dead horse....

1/4 mile is not indicative of the results of an interstate roll race...

How often do you go to the track. Bolt-on 5.0's trap 115-118. Trap speed is an indication of HP. All stock ZL1's are trapping less than this, most are in the 110-115 range. So a car capable of 118 trap speeds can certainly pull a car only turning 110-115. Remember this happened in S.Louisiana and the little TVS doesn't like to compress water(humidity). The argument that it makes 450rwhp on a dyno does not apply when the temps are 95-100 degrees and 70% humidity. ;-)

 

[teamstorm02]

For all the guys saying "it would be different being lined up side by side.". You guys are correct its hard to judge when someone is going to take off in front of you. Now that being said, he said he beat him by a few cars. I posted in the beginning saying I beat one this past weekend as well. We were side by side. Ran 1st, 2nd, and to the top of 3rd. His front bumper was directly across from my driver side mirror. Now to me that would be the difference between going off beeps, and trying to anticipate someone else taking off. Zl1's aren't slow by any means. But for what a zl1 is a 6.2l supercharged v8 I'd say its a little disappointing.

 

[MikeLTDLX]

I have trapped 119.42.

I wish the guy had come around to the side of me, but it was not exactly planned. He came after me, I gave him the best indication I could that I was about to go...and I went. I have had people try to do the same to me before, and I have practically driven through their bumpers because I was clearly faster. This guy was 100% on it, and all he did was watch me pull away. Was he in the wrong gear? I don't know. Did I get a jump? I don't know. I usually don't roll race, but I will take an interstate hop if it presents itself. If the Z was genuinely quicker than I was, he would have reigned me in, simple as that. I am sure at the track, it would have been even more definitive, considering my car runs consistently in the high 11.7s-low 11.8s.

It was fun, and I consider it a "win."

Mike

 

[TheCPE]

Trap speed is an indication of HP. All stock ZL1's are trapping less than this, most are in the 110-115 range.

¼ mile time is also indicative of traction and driver. A 3rd gear roll race isn’t the same as launch down the ¼ mile. Further, I can’t help but assume you are cherry picking your ¼ mile times for the comparison.

Remember this happened in S.Louisiana and the little TVS doesn't like to compress water(humidity). The argument that it makes 450rwhp on a dyno does not apply when the temps are 95-100 degrees and 70% humidity. ;-)

I’m in FL where the temps are just as high and so is the humidity and I watched a ZL1 with a poor little tvs destroy every 5.0 bolton in ½ mile roll racing. I’m more than aware of the effects of humidity and temperature on power.

I like that you credited 450rwhp for the zl1, another example of cherry picking/mitigating the differential. Auto zl1s put down around 480 not 450 and the manuals around 500. This is a very large difference and like I mentioned before similar to if somebody with a Bolton 4.6 GT was claiming to have walked a stock 5.0 by 3-4 lengths.

This forum is no different than any other car forum I’ve been a member of, filled with fan boys.

I’d love to believe that my Bolton 5.0 is faster than a stock zl1 but as much as I’d love to believe that I’d prefer more to not be considered delusional.

 

[F8l Vnm]

Thecpe good stuff man. Great points