Engine CARNAGE...#8... 5L KryPoNITE

[2002BLGT]

I just dynoed here at my shop a 2011 5.0 6 speed with Bama tunes , 93 Race tune was way lean 14s , which may have been a simple mistake on loading the CAI value file for the airaid intake , but good thing the guy brought the car over to check it , it only went 375rwhp on that tune , put the 93 Performance tune in and air/fuel was good about 12.5-12.9 and went 392rwhp

So then I called them and told them about the air/fuel on the Race tune , after explaining to them what we were dealing with they emailed a new tune and this next pull the air/fuel mirrored the Performance tune now , but I am guessing even with 93 octane it had too much timing in the tune for the fuel that we have around here cause it only dynoed 390rwhp with their Race tune compared to the 392 rwhp Performance tune ....

 

[shadowstang03gt]

I was never a fan of mail order tunes. Like Torch10th said. These cars seem to be on a thin line or just too knew for tuners. I would rather have a good shop using a dyno tune it. steeda, john lund, or ford racing would be my only choice for over the net.

 

[JDV]

Sincerest post, found this about the FRPP kit.

3 year / 36,000 mile warranty is applicable if installed at the time of new vehicle delivery
A 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty is in effect if installed after the date of vehicle delivery but prior to expiration of 3 years / 36,000 mile vehicle warranty

 

[JL-KA]

For the Roush blower.

 

[kn7671]

Sincerest post, found this about the FRPP kit.

3 year / 36,000 mile warranty is applicable if installed at the time of new vehicle delivery
A 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty is in effect if installed after the date of vehicle delivery but prior to expiration of 3 years / 36,000 mile vehicle warranty

YOU NEED TO READ THE ENTIRE WARRANTY STATEMENT.

The links on the 2011 MUSTANG GT POWER UPGRADE PACKAGE or the 2011 MUSTANG GT FORD RACING PERFORMANCE CALIBRATION WITH HIGH FLOW K&N AIR FILTER state a warranty is available.

This statement is the critical part:

M-FR1-MGTB is warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship, when installed by an authorized Ford Dealer or Shelby Automotive, Inc, beginning upon dealer installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Racing for the balance of 3 years or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, from the manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty start date. This Limited Warranty replaces the existing manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty for engine, driveline and suspension parts when a concern is triggered by a warranted Ford Racing part. All engine, driveline and suspension warranty issues not related to installation of Ford racing parts remain subject to existing manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

FR1 Performance Pack Note: Customers who purchase FR1 Power Upgrade Packs are required to use 91-octane or higher fuels at all times. Any failures associated with the non-use of premium 91-octane fuel will be ineligible for warranty repair.

 

[kn7671]

All the above means that if you have 16,000 miles on your car and you buy the FRPP Tuner, have it dealer installed, than you will only have another 16,000 miles of warranty remaining on your engine, regardless of any additional warranty purchased above and beyond 3yr/36k, as the Tuner engine warranty supercedes all other engine related warranty.

It also mean if you have over 36k miles, there will be no engine warranty at all, even if a Ford dealer performs the install. Also, this clearly states that if you buy the Tuner and install yourself, there is no warranty at all, essentially voiding engine warranties for related to the Tune.

 

[JaysonMFK]

Informative thread. I just purchased my 2012 last week and was about to pull the trigger on a mailed tune from BAMA. I think I'll wait awhile and see how this all pans out.

 

[19kobra99]

OP, PLEASE goto facebook and look for Ford Motor Company's page. My boss posted on it about my problem with #8 and Ford voiding my warranty and within minutes got a response. The rep was going to "look into it" so do the same, post your issue. A lot of people visit there page. Just a suggestion....

 

[19kobra99]

also, a Ford employee from a dealership up north confirmed to me that there was a breach in the first motor assembly and is the fault for most of these failures.

 

[SicShelby09]

More internet hearsay. This tread needs to be closed. Its scaring the shit out of everyone, when really its one tuners fault for turning down the knock sensitivity in the tune. Then kaboom. Case closed, no warranty claim coverage, have a nice day. Buy an MMR forged rotating assembly for cheap, and never look back. Good god this has gotten out of hand. Can a mod step in here and lock this motherflocker.

 

[SicShelby09]

also, a Ford employee from a dealership up north confirmed to me that there was a breach in the first motor assembly and is the fault for most of these failures.

And for the record, when can you EVER trust a Ford dealership employee. Confirmed??? LOL They lie worse than politicians.

 

[kn7671]

I created a Poll so we can see how many people have tunes with or without issues, and what percentage of those people are getting warranty work or warranty voided.

Do you have a Tune, and with or w/o problems? - Ford Mustang Forums

 

[shadowstang03gt]

also, a Ford employee from a dealership up north confirmed to me that there was a breach in the first motor assembly and is the fault for most of these failures.

what type of ford employee? a ford salesmen?

 

[davidhuff]

also, a Ford employee from a dealership up north confirmed to me that there was a breach in the first motor assembly and is the fault for most of these failures.

More no name BS!

 

[wtfchuck]

i notice the people with the "problems" never give details... hiding much?

 

[AMChrisRose]

I just dynoed here at my shop a 2011 5.0 6 speed with Bama tunes , 93 Race tune was way lean 14s , which may have been a simple mistake on loading the CAI value file for the airaid intake , but good thing the guy brought the car over to check it , it only went 375rwhp on that tune , put the 93 Performance tune in and air/fuel was good about 12.5-12.9 and went 392rwhp

So then I called them and told them about the air/fuel on the Race tune , after explaining to them what we were dealing with they emailed a new tune and this next pull the air/fuel mirrored the Performance tune now , but I am guessing even with 93 octane it had too much timing in the tune for the fuel that we have around here cause it only dynoed 390rwhp with their Race tune compared to the 392 rwhp Performance tune ....

Glad that the Bama team was able to get it straightened away. It seems like they just missed modifying the MAF calibration on the Race file, if the others were perfect, that was why it was an easy fix. I'm glad the guy got it checked out, too.

As for the WOT performance, the Street, Race and Performance tunes for 2011 Mustangs target exactly the same timing and AFR at peak hp. There should be no WOT difference, and all of the changes will lie in low-mid range power, throttle response, shifting, rev limits, and variable cam. Both dynoing within 2hp of each other is what we're after! :thumbsup:

 

[AMChrisRose]

I was never a fan of mail order tunes. Like Torch10th said. These cars seem to be on a thin line or just too knew for tuners. I would rather have a good shop using a dyno tune it. steeda, john lund, or ford racing would be my only choice for over the net.

Most of the top tuners in the country, offer mail-order tunes. It's because it's not about whether the tune is mail-order or not, it's about experience with the platform. Any company that is sending out SCT value files, shouldn't be mail-order tuning cars. If they dyno-tuned cars, they'd see that those value files can't be sent out.

2 of the tuners you mentioned had motor failures confirmed. We had 2 motor failures confirmed and we don't use global spark, don't use SCT value files, do command a safe air fuel ratio, do lab test and dyno/street/track test all of our MAF calibrations to ensure accuracy, do use IDS and other OE-type datalogging and data acquisition tools, do error on the side of the safe, do use stock knock sensor sensitivity, are the largest SCT dealer in the world (thousands of 2011's), are SCT certified, and do own/operate a dyno and 9 company Mustangs and many employee Mustangs.

It's still too young in the process of getting this cylinder 8 issue handled to start pointing fingers anywhere. I just thought I'd clear up some of the "toons are doing it" nonsense.

 

[slagburn]

also, a Ford employee from a dealership up north confirmed to me that there was a breach in the first motor assembly and is the fault for most of these failures.

Dealership employee does NOT equal Ford employee. Two different things. They might have heard something from a Ford employee, but aren't really in the pipeline for much info of that nature.

 

[SVT_4_me]

As for the WOT performance, the Street, Race and Performance tunes for 2011 Mustangs target exactly the same timing and AFR at peak hp. There should be no WOT difference, and all of the changes will lie in low-mid range power, throttle response, shifting, rev limits, and variable cam. Both dynoing within 2hp of each other is what we're after! :thumbsup:

i can tell you with 100% certainty that there was a HUGE difference at WOT between the bama race tune i was running and the street or performance tune...

 

[AMChrisRose]

i can tell you with 100% certainty that there was a HUGE difference at WOT between the bama race tune i was running and the street or performance tune...

They feel completely different, and that was the point. However if you went to a dyno and put them back-to-back, the difference is minimal. They're going to be within a few HP/TQ at peak. It may make more HP or TQ in different areas in the curve.